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‘The Five’ reacts to new fallout over CNN Russia spy report


>>Jesse: WHAT WAS LEFT OF CNN’S CREDIBILITY IS COMPLETELY IN THE TOILET. THEY SELF-PROCLAIMED FACTS FIRST NETWORK UNDER FIRE FOR ANOTHER BOTCHED TRUMP-RUSSIA REPORT. THEY CLAIM THE PRESIDENT WAS THE REASON WHY A CIA SPY WAS EXTRACTED FROM RUSSIA. THE STORY HAS BEEN DEBUNKED BY NUMEROUS OUTLETS AND IT TURNS OUT TRUMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND WASN’T EVEN IN OFFICE WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE. DESPITE ALL OF THAT, CNN STILL REPORTED THAT THIS MORNING. NEW NUMBERS SHOW THE NETWORK SPENT HUNDRED 81 MINUTES HYPING THE SO-CALLED BOMBSHELL THIS WEEK. IT’S NOT JUST CNN THAT’S CLINGING TO THE BOGUS STORY. CHECK OUT WHAT NBC ASKED FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE CONDI RICE.>>DO YOU THINK IT’S POSSIBLE THAT RUSSIA’S ELECTION INTERFERENCE ACTUALLY WORKED? IT ACTUALLY ELECTED DONALD TRUMP?>>I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT I REALLY DON’T THINK THAT’S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE. I THINK IT REALLY DOES DEVALUE THE PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN AND OTHERS WHO DECIDED TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHETHER YOU LIKE THIS PRESIDENT OR NOT. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT OR NOT. LET’S GIVE THE CREDIT TO THE AMERICANS WENT OUT AND VOTED FOR SOMEBODY WHO THEY THOUGHT WOULD BRING CHANGE.>>Jesse: JUAN, I HAVE A THEORY. I THINK YOU MIGHT AGREE.>>Juan: I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.>>Jesse: I THINK THE MEDIA MIGHT HELP GET DONALD TRUMP REELECTED AND HERE’S WHY. ALL THEY DO IS REPORT ON DONALD TRUMP. FAKE NEWS, SHARPIE GATE AND THEY GIVE NO ROOM FOR ANY OF THE DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. YOU DON’T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER DEMOCRATS. IT’S TRUMP 24/7 AND I THINK IT’S TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE DEMOCRATS RUNNING.>>Juan: I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. HE TAKES UP SO MUCH AIR IN THE ROOM.>>Jesse: THEY GIVE IT TO HIM.>>Juan: BOY, DO WE GIVE IT TO HIM. [LAUGHTER] I THINK EVERY POLITICAL CONVERSATION TENDS TO ALWAYS COME BACK TO DONALD TRUMP. HE IS STILL THE 100-POUND GORILLA OR WHATEVER, 800-POUND GORILLA IN THE ROOM.>>Dana: 100-POUND GORILLA. [LAUGHTER] THAT’S MY SIZE. [LAUGHTER] THAT’S NOT A VERY BIG GORILLA.>>Juan: HE IS THE BIGGEST OF THE BIG ONES. ALSO WITH THE CHAOS, LIKE YESTERDAY WITH JOHN BOLTON LEAVING AND THE ARGUMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEKEND WITH THE IDEA OF BRINGING THE TALIBAN TO CAMP DAVID. IMAGINE, TODAY. 9/11. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWFUL. THE MEDIA HAS TO COVER THE PRESIDENT. HE’S THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU.>>Jesse: THERE YOU GO! IF WE COULD ONLY DO THAT EVERY SHOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK, TOM?>>Tom: CNN, I LOVE THE NBC CLIP AND I LOVE CONDI RICE WITH THE PUSH BACK. SHE ALMOST WAS TOO NICE. SHE SAID THAT’S NOT A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE. HOW ABOUT “STOP SAYING THAT.” STOP SAYING THAT RUSSIA GOT TRUMP ELECTED. THEY ARE STILL DOING IT. SO THEY ARE STILL GOING TO PLAY IT REGARDLESS, THIS STORY THAT’S BEEN DEBUNKED AND CNN IS GOING TO LET IT FADE AWAY BUT THEY’RE GOING TO KEEP UP THE RUSSIA THING AND THEY’RE GOING TO KEEP UP THE “DID THE RUSSIANS GET TRUMP ELECTED?”>>Jesse: 181 MINUTES. THEY PROBABLY BOOSTED THEIR RATINGS QUITE A BIT.>>Katie: I DON’T THINK IT BOOSTED THE RATINGS. BUT THAT’S A NICE THING FOR YOU TO SAY ABOUT THEM. THE INTERESTING THING TO ME IS THAT CNN AND SAVANNAH GUTHRIE CLAIM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT RUSSIA INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION BUT ANYTIME SHE SAYS AND GIVES RUSSIA CREDIT FOR MAYBE TILTING THE ELECTION TOWARDS PRESIDENT TRUMP, SHE’S ACTUALLY EMBOLDENING RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA AND GIVING RUSSIA A WIN AND EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT SOMEONE AT CNN REPORTS A STORY INCORRECTLY, AND PUTS A CIA SOURCE AT RISK, AND THE RUSSIANS THINK — IT’S A HUGE PROBLEM. YOU ARE SETTING UP A SITUATION WHERE AMERICANS ARE DEBATING ABOUT THE RUSSIA ISSUE AND TEARING EACH OTHER APART POLITICALLY WHICH THE ONE THING IN THE MUELLER REPORT THAT WE KNOW IS TRUE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS WHEN THE RUSSIANS TO THE FACEBOOK ADS, TWITTER TROLL FARMS, TO SOW DISSENT IN AMERICA. EVERY TIME THE MEDIA ACTS LIKE THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT INFORMATION AND WORRIED ABOUT PROTECTING SOURCES, THEY HAVE EXPOSED THE SOURCE AND THEY HAVE EMBOLDENED THE RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA BY CONTINUING TO GIVE RUSSIA CREDIT FOR SOMETHING IT DIDN’T ACTUALLY DO.>>Jesse: THAT GOES TO ONE OF THE THEORIES, DANA, FLOATING AROUND RIGHT NOW, THE PERSON WHO WAS AN ASSET IN THE KREMLIN, PEOPLE THINK HE WAS THE ONE THAT GAVE ALL THE DISINFORMATION ABOUT DONALD TRUMP TO CHRISTOPHER STEELE, WHICH HE COOKED THE DOSSIER UP WIFE AND THAT’S WHY HE WAS BROUGHT OUT OF THAT COUNTRY.>>Dana: MAYBE THAT’S WHY CNN IS CLINGING TO THEIR STORY?>>Jesse: I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT.>>Dana: EVERYONE IS ON PINS AND NEEDLES WAITING FOR THAT. WHEN SECRETARY RICE TALKS ABOUT IT, SHE UNDERSTANDS RUSSIANS VERY WELL. IT’S GIVING RUSSIANS WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT. IT’S BUILDING THEM UP TO UP POINT OF RIDICULOUSNESS. THE THING SHE DIDN’T SAY, SHE WAS VERY POLITE, DIDN’T SAY IT. BUT IF THAT WERE TRUE, WHERE WAS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION? THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ELECTION SECURITY IN THE UNITED STATES AND I DON’T KNOW THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DURHAM INVESTIGATION BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY KIND OF GET OFF EASY BECAUSE NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT. THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS IN THE OLDEN DAYS, LIKE TEN YEARS AGO, THERE WAS REALLY NO WAY TO FIGHT BACK WHEN THE REPORTER WOULDN’T BACK DOWN, EVEN IF YOU KNEW THE STORY WASN’T TRUE. IF THEY WOULDN’T RETRACT IT, YOU COULD COMPLAIN A LITTLE BIT. YOU COULD TRY TO GET IT OUT BUT THERE WAS NO TWITTER. THERE WAS NO FACEBOOK. THERE WAS NO DIRECT WAY TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE TO SAY THAT STORY IS WRONG. I THINK IT’S HELPED, SOCIAL MEDIA HAS BEEN A GOOD LEVELING OF THE PLAYING FIELD.>>Jesse: SO YOU LIKE WHEN THE PRESIDENT TWEETS “FAKE NEWS”?>>Juan: LET ME REBUT SOME OF THIS BECAUSE I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. CNN, I DON’T THINK THEY HAVE ACTED RECKLESSLY. THEY ARE STANDING BY THE STORY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE AND THEY SAID, “PARTLY RESPONSIBLE,” ANXIETY OR THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WITH HAVING MEETINGS IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH THE RUSSIANS. LATER, A PRESIDENT WHO STOOD BY VLADIMIR PUTIN AND SAID I BELIEVE HIM, NOT AMERICANS.>>Jesse: EVEN THOUGH “THE WASHINGTON POST,” “THE NEW YORK TIMES,” THE CIA, SAYING THAT WASN’T THE CASE.>>Juan: BOTH “THE NEW YORK TIMES” AND CNN WENT TO THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THEY RAN THEIR STORY AND ASKED. THERE WAS NO DANGER. THE RUSSIANS KNEW THIS GUY, KNEW WHERE HE WAS. NOBODY’S LIFE WAS IN DANGER. THAT’S NOT TRUE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE CNN, WHEN THEY WERE FOUND TO BE WRONG, I THINK IT WAS A STORY ABOUT SCARAMUCCI, THEY FIRED THREE PEOPLE.>>Jesse: THEY SHOULD FIRE EVERYBODY BECAUSE THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT RUSSIA COLLUSION.>>Juan: THEY WERE NOT.>>Jesse: JUAN IS CLINGING. YOU ARE CLINGING.>>Juan: YOU SAID, YOU’RE ACTING LIKE RUSSIA DIDN’T INTERFERE. WAIT, HOLD IT. RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA DIDN’T INFLUENCE VOTES?>>Jesse: TALKING ABOUT COLLUSION, NOT INTERFERENCE.>>Juan: WE HAVE A PICTURE OF OBAMA STARING DOWN AT PUTIN AND SAYING STOP IT.>>Jesse: DID IT WORK? REALLY LISTENED.>>Juan: TRYING TO GET MITCH McCONNELL, PUT OUT A BIPARTISAN STATEMENT.>>Dana: ALL OF THE BLAME AND SUP –>>Katie: IT’S WHAT THE RUSSIANS WANT, RIGHT HERE.>>Dana: THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN VERY SKILLFUL IN TRYING TO CAST ALL THE RUSSIANS WHEN THEY REALLY WERE IN CHARGE OF ELECTION SECURITY.>>Juan: WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE HAD THEM DO?>>Dana: DO YOU THINK HILLARY CLINTON THINKS OBAMA SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING MORE? GUARANTEED.>>Juan: WHAT WOULD TRUMP AND

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