Part 1: FOX News Mole Joe Muto Dishes Bill O’Reilly Dirt

welcome back to world view
beloved eight years our next guest work
inside the belly of the fox news channel
as an associate producer on the bill
o’reilly shouldn’t be around factor
after graduating from notre dame
striking out in the job market
jo mujhe sentiment dishes cover letter
for web grandchild to the folks at
instead got the attention of programming
executives he was invited to interview
for a child is a production assistant
to have a dilemma
he desperately needed work that
describes himself as a liberal and here
it was setting entered the conservative
world of fox news
well he held his nose and buried his
head rising through the ranks from
production assistant to associate
producer on pillows show
then in two thousand eleven it all got
to be too much for and the thought of
working another election cycle they’re
native plant is exit strategy
the execution of that strategy left a
lot to be designer
he met up with the folks at gawker
magazine the website and found himself
working for them as now as the now
infamous fox mole
o’clock republicans on wills
and thirty six hours later
move it was discovered
fired and threatened losses and indeed
face criminal prosecution
by the new york district attorney
all of this was pending the soon to be
best-selling book released three weeks
ago by gotten penguin called
and easiest in the fox hole
liberals do u argosy inside the heart of
the right wing media
he’s here now today
to talk about it all
jovita welcome to world here
thanks so much traveling
job was a great job of laying out what
you’d use the fox mold for blocker
and i the basic question most of them
have is why did you do it
as i said earlier not a well-thought-out
plan ob
it i was flying by the seat my pants pod
this all started in late twenties eleven
i decided that i could no longer work at
the network it’s just not
it’d gone too far the right for me and
it was just not a place i wanted to be
anymore and you know i always knew that
it was
conservative leaning i mean i i think he
isn’t but hey ho when it when i started
the job i was like
now i’ll give it a few months and you
know sheet that bothers me and
mega find something else
they don’t have a big id
really never bothered me until after
obama then i thought that i worked at
the very
bizarre and and scary in some ways right
outgrown increasingly uncomfortable
staying there so that so you know in in
the twenty eleven i decided i wanted to
and uh…
part of my looking for another job and i
don’t even have a job so uh…
in my search for another job i ended up
with the caucus people end up meeting
with them
and you know it was it was my idea to
write for them i said i bought some
about the right for you guys
that’d be bowel uli fox and i’ll come
right for you
and it’ll be great you know that maybe
they don’t talk about my experience at
fox when writing for you made may be out
but it won’t be del parceled out and a
you know involved thats
and make a lot of people said well
why don’t you right for us right now
what yourself rocks and i do
sure a great idea you know like mine
why don’t you go kicked in and i said oh
that’s a lot of people about that spirit
you know so it was the reason the
starting but
i thought
you know it pat
i thought ingratiating myself with the
doctor people was that was a good way to
get a job for post postbox so
and also i thought that ideapad get away
with it i thought that i would
post a few dumb gossipy items and
some people about that it and
it would probably escape
larger notice within fox and within the
outer world and and i would be i would
be that a few weeks and then go
workman employer so green
that was how it all played out in my
head obviously how it played out in real
life was quite dif
let’s talk a little bit about roger
is a fox doesn’t pushpa message rather
it is gravitation we pulled by roger
ailes and then push down the simplified
management structure walk me through how
a story in the was created invent
permeates all fox news channel coverage
although well
the way the shows were boxes there
pretty apartments that if they get
there’s allowed to go off in their own
direction and pursue the stories they
want to pursue
you know it
what would happen is though
everyday the shows have to send
of list of their topics
and their guests
you know to the management
to do it gets reviewed by
people to vice president level basically
so their they’re looking at that and if
there’s something on there they don’t
they’ll hear about you know nobel email
you know call you’ll say you know you
get to the stop if you can have this
backup that
so they’re there is a level of autonomy
but it’s it’s very
heavily regulated and and you know
there are certain times when guests are
and there’s certain
their sudden death thirty straight up
and from the network with bill maher
the market’s been network of for awhile
i don’t know if it’s still the case that
they’ve been allowed back on the front
while any reporter from politico
politico dot com any reporter from the
event that
was a
i think nobody knew it wouldn’t tell us
you know there is speculation that some
one hundred but my guess is some a
hundred an article that had
pissed off males are pissed off one of
more powerful anchor anchors but that
they wouldn’t tell us that it was good
you know it was it was very inconvenient
dresses politicos agree organization in
that they’re they have a lot of
reporters who are smart and
in a consultants
available at all hours you know you can
call them
and have them on your show
twenty minutes later they’re very good
at like
getting people suspect was very
inconvenient for us
happened then
a lot of liberals are banned from the
network uh… especially like the
stronger wants you know like
if u
if you can make a good argument for the
liberal side you’re you’re not allowed
on the network
they never say that’s why they’re not a
lot of the network that’s
that’s my here that we always come up
with another reason
for wider than it’s it’s my period it’s
it’s that their there too good at making
the other sides organs
but someone inside that you did get a
uh… and there’s a great exchange
between you and your high school friend
that in the bar
we’ve asking point blank that i trade
away my integrity first health benefits
is seventy four cents an hour
too which is reply was no he did that
already when you took the job in the
first place uh… bluefoot what they did
you do it because the question
by to take a job impressed by what
tuesday and and and move up the ladder
broadcasting is very
seductive you know it’s a very exciting
endfield bien
you know i i i think a lot about how
exciting it was the first day i was in
the control room when we got word that
down the actor marlon brando died and
that their brush to sort of confirm this
news the septic it was such a uh…
uh… thrilling entry into this world so
i think more than anything they need
want to stick around and you outside to
see where ones
now there were there were applications
other places along the way it was always
you know nothing ever came up
annul to make it one of the fox you know
i’ll i
nick and i was doing well then i was i
was getting promoted at like at moving
on coupon to progressively more
challenging jobs and
challenge shows and then
ended up on o’reilly show which is you
know which is the top of the youth of
fox and that’s like
that’s the best place to be that’s you
you you sort of made it it’s happening
if you’re already shows so at high-tax
i guess it was uh… you know
decarava’s dangling in front of the
entire time and and
by the time that i a m
decided i wanted to leave i’d been there
i’ve been there for so long and sort of
you know it it’s probably seems outside
people ludicrous that i stay that long
you you blink your eyes and an eight
years have gone back
that joel usse in the book that you
actually liked
bill o’reilly as does jon stewart
and you say he’s not a ideologue but
that he’s ideological and very smart
verses the buffoon many tried to portray
a nice now feels like shades of gray
here so help me understand bill
his ass
i compare him to like your conservative
on cool you know who you have to deal
with it thanks giving you know like you
you might recall your eyes that
everything he says but you still
there’s still a tough action and you
and you know these months later i still
get out but
i’ll be fucking bitch at all since the
end of the electorate had a has units
was intact
you know it’s a
that being said there are some
levels i think that uh…
they would not surprise people to hear
about a monkey is
people can it in his anger
especially at his staff
and often for not
often for a very small transgression
you know what
if you mess up his lunch order that you
know he’s gonna scream at you so
it’s not
and it’s it’s scary cuz it may means
every one of the staff is walking on
eggshells and they’re afraid to tell
them anything because you never know i
was going to react you might shrug it
off or you might
get in your face and screaming kid so
did it’s it makes for pretty tense work
environments sometimes
now there’s someone who we know would
not agree that there is any niceness
about him at all and that’s the few
that was on the screen union people was
it was personal on both sides
dokur was smart enough to design it
saying it was just giving keith ratings
attraction an extra material
and ended at one point jeff in love with
g_e_ and rupert murdoch ordered a truce
what broke that ruth how did the truce
actually start was it like to live
through being there during
well uneducated took bill almost two
years i think to realize that he was
getting older and all the oxygen
emmanuel women’s ratings is
crept up an up and up
abetting what happened and it started
getting all the answer to getting
personal and as bill would go after
jeffrey involved
uh… at g_e_ the parent company of
n_b_c_ at the time
old movements are going after ales and
circle after murdoch and you know it
eventually that got the attention of the
haha bc people in the executive suites
and they did they broke in the streets
these two bigwigs murdoch in their
sat around and and said
you know cease-fire
ahmed if i recall i think over then was
that was the first one to
break cease-fire
and uh…
it wasn’t it was a weird times it was a
tense time to uh… to be on the show
once again that was people interfering
but they’ll show which which he hated
but this this was coming from a new
ministers coming from murdoch himself
bill was not going to
the first one to
to break the peace and i guess
here is where is and and that’s part of
the reasons why he’s still bitter m_t_v_
alluded to that that has something to do
with it
req dot bill has a prickly relationship
with with the executive but
he knows when to stop for as i would say
did not

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