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Live: President Trump participates in a bilateral meeting with the President of Ukraine


PRESIDENT TRUMP IN NEW YORK CITY MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. >>VERY, VERY STRONGLY LOOKING INTO ALL SORTS OF CORRUPTION AND SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THEY’VE HAD OVER THE YEARS. THEY THINK IT’S ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS HE GOT ELECTED. IT’S AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU, AND WE SPOKE A COUPLE OF TIMES AS YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER. THEY’D LIKE TO HEAR EVERY SINGLE WORD, AND WE GIVE THEM EVERY SINGLE WORD, AND THEN THEY SAY, WHAT ABOUT TODAY? I THINK THE PRESIDENT WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN THE MEDIA, BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF WITNESSES. BUT THE COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY IS DOING PHENOMENALLY WELL. WE HAVE THE BEST ECONOMY. WE HAVE THE BEST EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS THAT WE NEVER HAD, AND WE HAVE NOW ALMOST 160 MILLION PEOPLE WORKING, WHICH IS MORE THAN WE’VE EVER HAD. SO WE ARE DOING VERY WELL IN EVERY RESPECT, AND I’VE A FEELING THAT YOUR COUNTRY IS GOING TO DO FANTASTICALLY WELL.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT. THAK YOU VERY MUCH. IT’S A GREAT PLEASURE TO ME TO BE HERE, AND IT’S BETTER TO BE ON TV THAN BY PHONE I THINK. MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW THAT YOU’VE NEVER BEEN IN UKRAINE AND YOUR PREDECESSOR ALSO, HOW DO YOU SAY IT, DIDN’T FIND TIME. SO CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR WORD? >>I WILL SAY THIS. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM UKRAINE. I OWN SOMETHING CALLED THE MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT YEARS AGO, AND I SOLD IT TO ING. IT’S A GREAT THING, AND WE HAD A WINNER FROM UKRAINE, AND WE REALLY GOT TO KNOW THE COUNTRY VERY WELL IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IT’S A COUNTRY I THINK HAS TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL. >>YES, I KNOW IT BECAUSE I AM FROM THE COUNTRY. I WANT TO THANK YOU IN ADDITION TO WASHINGTON, YOU INVITED ME, BUT I’M SORRY BUT I THINK IT YOU FORGOT TO TELL ME THE DATE.>>THEY’LL TELL YOU. >>THEY KNOW BEFORE US. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ESPECIALLY, MR. PRESIDENT, TO USA, TO YOUR GOVERNMENT. LIKE I SAID, MANY PEOPLE, LIKE THE SECOND FAMILY, WE KNOW EACH OTHER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. WE WILL BE A WINNER IN THIS FIGHT I’M SURE AND MY PRIORITY TO STOP THE WAR AND TO GET BACK OUR TERRITORIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT. IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU LOST CRIMEA DURING A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION, NOT DURING THE TRUMPET ADMINISTRATION. >>SO YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO HELP US. >>THAT’S RIGHT, I DO. BUT THAT WAS DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE ALONG TIME AGO, AND I THINK IT WAS HANDLED POORLY, BUT THAT’S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED IS THE UNITED STATES HELPS UKRAINE, BUT I THINK THAT OTHER COUNTRIES SHOULD HELP UKRAINE MUCH MORE THAN THEY ARE DOING. GERMANY, FRANCE, THE EUROPEAN UNION NATIONS, THEY REALLY SHOULD HELP YOU A LOT MORE, AND I THINK MAYBE TOGETHER WE WILL WORK ON THAT. THEY HAVE TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT GUILTY ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY DON’T DO WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. YOU ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE EUROPEAN UNION. YOU ARE VERY IMPORTANT STRATEGICALLY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD SPEND A LOT MORE IN HELPING UKRAINE, AND THEY KNOW THAT ALSO, AND THEY ACTUALLY TELL ME THAT, BUT THEY DON’T SEEM TO PRODUCE, SO I’M SURE YOU TALK TO THEM AND I WILL CERTAINLY BE TALKING TO THEM. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT WE — I’M SORRY, BUT WE DON’T NEED HELP, WE NEED SUPPORT, REAL SUPPORT. WE THANK ALL OF EVERYBODY. WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE MORE, SO ONLY TOGETHER IN AMERICA AND EU, ONLY TOGETHER WE CAN STOP THE WAR. YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO TELL THAT, REMEMBER, WE ARE THE BIGGEST COUNTRY IN EUROPE, BUT WE WANT TO BE THE RICHEST ONE. >>YOU HAVE GREAT PEOPLE IN UKRAINE, AND YOU HAVE VERY TALENTED PEOPLE. IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO, AND WE ARE DOING TRADING ALREADY, BUT WE SHOULD BE DOING A LOT MORE TRADING WITH UKRAINE. YOU ARE VERY TALENTED PEOPLE. THEY MAKE GREAT THINGS AT THE TOP-OF-THE-LINE REALLY. THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT. THE OTHER THING IS I’VE ACTUALLY HEARD YOU HAD OVER THE LAST. THE SHORT. OF TIME, YOU’VE MADE SOME PROGRESS WITH RUSSIA. I HEAR A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, AND JUST KEEP IT GOING.>>I WANT TO TELL YOU BEFORE THE RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA, I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT NOW WE HAVE THE NEW TEAM, THE NEW GOVERNMENT, SO NOW THERE ARE ABOUT 70 FOR NEW LAWS WHICH HELP WITH OUR REFORMS. LAND REFORM, WE RELOAD THE GENERAL SECURITY, AND WE LAUNCHED THE SERVICE SECRETARY. AS WE CAME, WE LAUNCHED TO THE ANTICORRUPTION COURT. WE BEGAN TO WORK. IT WAS AFTER FIVE DAYS WE HAD THE NEW GOVERNMENT. SO WE ARE READY. WE WANT TO SHOW THAT WE JUST COME AND IF YOU WANT TO HELP US, SO JUST LET’S DO BUSINESS CASES. WE HAVE MANY.>>AND STOP CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE, BECAUSE THAT WILL REALLY MAKE YOU GREAT FOR THAT WILL MAKE YOU GREAT PERSONALLY AND IT WILL ALSO BE SO TREMENDOUS FOR YOUR NATION IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND WHERE YOU WANT TO TAKE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>HAVE YOU FELT ANY PRESSURE TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN? >>I THINK YOU READ EVERYTHING. I THINK YOU READ TEXT. I’M SORRY, BUT I DON’T WANT TO BE INVOLVED TO DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS OF USA. WE HAD I THINK GOOD PHONE CALL. IT WAS NORMAL. WE SPOKE ABOUT MANY THINGS, AND I THINK AND YOU READ IT THAT NOBODY PUSHED ME. >>IN OTHER WORDS, NO PRESSURE. >>YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS NO PRESSURE. BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW THERE WAS NO PRESSURE. ALL YOU TO DO IS SEE IT, WHAT WENT ON IN THE CALL. BUT YOU KNOW THAT. I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER. GO AHEAD.>>I WANT HIM TO DO WHATEVER HE CAN. THIS WAS NOT HIS FAULT. HE WASN’T THERE. HE’S JUST BEEN HERE RECENTLY. BUT WHATEVER HE CAN DO IN TERMS OF CORRUPTION, BECAUSE THE CORRUPTION IS MASSIVE. AND NOW, WHEN BIDEN’S SON WALKS AWAY WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM UKRAINE AND THEY ARE PAYING ON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THAT’S CORRUPTION. WHEN HE WALKS OUT OF CHINA WITH $1.5 BILLION IN THE BIGGEST FUNDS IN THE WORLD CAN’T GET MONEY OUT OF CHINA AND HE’S THERE FOR ONE QUICK MEETING AND HE FLIES IN ON AIR FORCE TO, I THINK THAT IS A HORRIBLE THING. I THINK IT’S A HORRIBLE THING. BUT I’M GOING FAR BEYOND THAT. I KNOW THE PRESIDENT, AND I’VE READ A LOT ABOUT UKRAINE. I’VE READ A LOT ABOUT OF COUNTRIES. HE WANTS TO STOP CORRUPTION. HE WAS ELECTED, I THINK, NUMBER 1 ON THE BASIS OF STOPPING CORRUPTION, WHICH HAS PLAGUED UKRAINE. IF HE COULD DO THAT, HE IS DOING REALLY THE WHOLE WORLD A BIG FAVOR, AND I THINK HE’S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. >>MR. PRESIDENT, WHY DO YOU THINK IT’S APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO GET INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT? >>YOU’LL HAVE TO ASK RUDY. I WILL TELL YOU THIS THAT RUDY IS LOOKING TO ALSO FIND OUT WHERE THE PHONY WITCHHUNT STARTED, HOW IT STARTED. THE RUSSIAN WITCHHUNT THAT TURNED OUT TO BE TWO AND HALF YEARS OF PHONY NONSENSE. RUDY GIULIANI IS A GREAT LAWYER. HE WAS A GREAT MAYOR. HE IS HIGHLY RESPECTED. I’VE WATCHED THE PASSION THAT HE HAS ON TELEVISION OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS. I THINK IT’S INCREDIBLE WHAT HE’S DONE. HE WANTS TO FIND OUT WHERE DID THIS RUSSIAN WITCHHUNT THAT YOU PEOPLE REALLY HELPED PERPETRATE, WHERE DID IT START? HOW CAN IT STARTED? IT WAS ALL NONSENSE. IT WAS A HOAX. IT WAS A TOTAL HOAX. IT WAS A MEDIA HOAX AND A DEMOCRAT HOAX. RUDY HAS EVERY RIGHT TO FIND OUT WHERE THAT STARTED. AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. WHERE DID IT START? THE ENABLERS. WHERE DID IT ALL COME FROM? IT WAS OUT OF THIN AIR. I THINK HE’S GOT A VERY STRONG RIGHT TO DO IT. HE’S A GOOD LAWYER. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE’S DOING. >>DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE E- MAILS FROM HILLARY CLINTON, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE IN UKRAINE? >>I THINK THEY COULD BE. YOU MEAN THE 30000 SHE DELETED? THAT WAS A NICE QUESTION. I LIKE THAT QUESTION. FRANKLY, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE GREAT CRIMES COMMITTED IS HILLARY CLINTON DELETING 33000 E-MAILS AFTER CONGRESS ANSWER A SUBPOENA. THINK OF THAT. YOU CAN’T EVEN DO THAT IN A CIVIL CASE. YOU CAN’T GET RID OF EVIDENCE LIKE THAT. SHE DELETED 33000 E-MAILS AFTER, NOT BEFORE BUT AFTER RECEIVING A SUBPOENA FROM THE U.S. CONGRESS. I MEAN, I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT. SHE’S DONE FAR WORSE THAN THAT, ALTHOUGH I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH WORSE IT CAN BE, BUT THERE WERE MANY OTHER THINGS SHE DID THAT WERE WRONG, BUT THAT’S SO OBVIOUS. SHE GETS A SUBPOENA FROM THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, AND SHE DELETES THEM, AND THEN SHE SAID, AS I REMEMBER IT, THAT THEY HAD TO DO WITH THE WEDDING AND YOGA. SHE DOES A LOT OF YOGA, RIGHT. SO THEY HAD 33000 E-MAILS ABOUT THE WEDDING OF HER DAUGHTER AND YOGA. I DON’T THINK SO. HOW SHE GOT AWAY WITH THAT ONE IS JUST — BUT IT’S ONE OF MANY, AND IT’S CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE CORRUPTION ALSO, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF CORRUPTION IN OUR GOVERNMENT, AND WHEN YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH HILLARY CLINTON, WHEN YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH COMEY AND MCCABE AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON HERE. HOPEFULLY, IT’S GOING TO BE FOUND OUT VERY SOON, BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. >>CAN YOU ASSURE THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE? >>WELL, WE ARE WORKING WITH UKRAINE AND WE WANT OTHER COUNTRIES TO WORK WITH UKRAINE. WHEN I SAY WORK, I’M REFERRING TO MONEY. THEY SHOULD PUT MORE MONEY. WE PUT UP A LOT OF MONEY. I GAVE YOU ANTI-KINK BUSTERS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS SENDING YOU PILLOWS AND SHEETS. I REALLY HOPE THAT RUSSIA, BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU AND PRESIDENT PUTIN GET TOGETHER AND CAN SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM. THAT WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS ACHIEVEMENT. I KNOW YOU’RE TRYING TO DO THAT. >>IN A PHONE CALL, YOU SAID THAT HE WAS LOOKING INTO JOE BIDEN BUT ASK YOUR PROSECUTOR TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER. >>HAVE YOU HAD THAT QUESTION MIKE. >>KNOW, I HAVEN’T, BUT I THINK THIS. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE DID, IT’S SO BAD, WHERE HIS SON GOES TO CHINA. HE WALKS AWAY WITH A BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS. HE GOES TO UKRAINE AND HE WALKS AWAY WITH 50000 A MONTH AND A LOT OF MONEY IN ADDITION TO THAT. THE WHOLE THING WITH THE PROSECUTOR IN UKRAINE, AND HE IS OKAY. THIS ISN’T LIKE MAYBE HE DID IT, MAYBE HE DIDN’T. HE IS ON TAPE DOING THIS. I SAW THIS A WHILE AGO. I LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, THAT’S INCREDIBLE. NOW, EITHER HE’S DUMB OR HE THOUGHT HE WAS IN A ROOM FULL OF REALLY GOOD FRIENDS, OR MAYBE IT’S A COMBINATION OF BOTH IN THIS CASE. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY AND INDEPENDENT GENERAL SECURITY. I CAN’T PUSH ANYONE. THAT IS THE ANSWER. I DIDN’T CALL SOMEBODY OR THE NEW GENERAL SECURITY. I DIDN’T ASK HIM. I DIDN’T PUSH HIM. >>DO YOU FEEL OBLIGATED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP? >>SORRY.>>OBLIGATED TO DO WHAT?>>[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]>>NATURALLY, I WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT THE UKRAINE HAS A NEW PROSECUTOR, A HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL MAN WITH A WESTERN EDUCATION AND IS FREE TO INVESTIGATE. WHILE WE HAVE MANY MORE ISSUES, WE HAVE CORRUPTION CASES AS PRESIDENT TRUMP MENTIONED ABOUT THAT, SO WE KNOW WHAT TO DO AND WE KNOW WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO TACKLE.>>DID YOU HAVE NANCY PELOSI FIND A WAY [ INAUDIBLE ] YESTERDAY? >>NOT AT ALL. SHE’S LOST HER WAY. SHE’S BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE RADICAL LEFT. SHE MAY BE A RADICAL LEFT HERSELF, BUT SHE REALLY HAS LOST HER WAY. I SPOKE TO HER ABOUT GUNS YESTERDAY. SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. SHE’S NOT INTERESTED IN GUNS. I TELL YOU WHAT, NANCY PELOSI IS NOT INTERESTED IN GUNS AND GUN PROTECTION AND GUN SAFETY. ALL SHE’S THINKING ABOUT IS THAT SHE’S BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE RADICAL LEFT, THE WHOLE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN THE MEDIA TODAY, THE WHOLE PARTY IS TAKEN OVER BY THE LEFT, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY POLL NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP, BUT I DON’T WANT THEM TO GO UP FOR THIS REASON. WHEN YOU SEE WITH HAPPENING, PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANGRY AT DEMOCRATS. THEY ARE REALLY ANGRY AT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND THINGS LIKE, AS AN EXAMPLE, DRUG PRICING, GETTING DRUGS DOWN, THINGS LIKE GUN SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE. THE DEMOCRATS CAN’T TALK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THEY CAN TAKEN OVER BY A RADICAL GROUP OF PEOPLE, AND NANCY PELOSI, AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, UNFORTUNATELY, SHE IS NO LONGER THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.>>PRESIDENT TRUMP IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. OF COURSE, THIS COMES AFTER THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED WHAT THEY CALL THE PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT OF A CALL THAT HE HAD WITH THE UKRAINIAN LEADER. THIS HAS REALLY BEEN AT THE CENTER OF SCRUTINY. HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE LAUNCHED A FORMAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY TO THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY. I WANT TO BRING IN REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST LESLIE SANCHEZ, WHO IS IN OUR WASHINGTON BUREAU, POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR MOLLY COOPER ALSO JOINS US FROM CAPITOL HILL. MOLLY, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. WE SAW THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT SAY, NOBODY PUSHED ME. WE KNOW WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO TACKLE. WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS? >>WELL, I MEAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP DID TRANSLATE, OF COURSE, AND SAID, OF COURSE, THAT MEANS THERE WAS NO PRESSURE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE ESSENTIALLY SAID, I DID NOT PRESSURE HIM, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING HAVING THE PRESIDENT INTERJECT TO TRANSLATE FOR THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. WHAT I MADE OF THAT IS, REALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT’S GOING ON ON CAPITOL HILL, I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO MOVE THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AT ALL. THERE WHOLE BEEF WITH THE CALL IN THE FIRST PLACE, EVEN BEFORE THEY SAW THE TRANSCRIPT, HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS CALLING UKRAINE AND SOLICITING, ASKING FOR FOREIGN INTERVENTION IN THE 2020 ELECTION. THAT’S HOW THEY SEE IT. AGAIN, I REALLY DON’T THINK THAT WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE JUST SAID WILL MATTER MUCH IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY ARE GOING WITH THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. >>I WANT TO PUT A SIDE IMPEACHMENT — I KNOW THAT’S A BIG STORY, BUT I WANT YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THE PROSPECTS. IT WAS ALMOST PAINFUL TO WATCH. THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE AND ALMOST BEGGING PRESIDENT FOR TIME TOGETHER. HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU FORGOT TO TELL ME WHAT DATE WE ARE GOING TO MEET TOGETHER. >>VERY CLEVER. >>CAN YOU PROMISE ME YOU ARE GOING TO COME TO UKRAINE? AND HE SAID, I WILL TRY. WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT LIKE DOESN’T LIKE TO TRAVEL FAR AND IT’S BEEN A COMPLAINT AMONG OTHER DIPLOMATS. IT’S HARD TO GET FACE TIME WITH HIM. FROM A DIPLOMATIC STANDPOINT, THIS IS NOT JUST A UKRAINIAN ISSUE, JUST ABOUT EVERY WORLD LEADER IS WONDERING IF THIS PRESIDENT GETS ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH HIM AND HAVE TO MAKE THIS WORK. >>WELL, THE OPTICS WERE, CERTAINLY DIFFERENT, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME INTERESTING ASPECTS. WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS TALKING ABOUT HE IS HOPING FOR KIND OF A RESOLUTION AND ISSUE WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA, THE PRESSURE HE WAS PUTTING ON PUTIN AND THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT, I THINK THAT’S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THINGS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CRIMEA, THAT HE WAS NOT THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME WHEN THERE HAS BEEN WHAT SOME WOULD CALL AGGRESSION BY RUSSIA, SO THERE DEFINITELY IS A HARD-LINE APPROACH THAT WORKS FOR THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW. THAT’S WHAT’S DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT. ALSO, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. HE’S GETTING AIRTIME IN AN AUDIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT, THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. TREMENDOUSLY SIGNIFICANT, NOT ONLY IN THE TIME, BUT THE WEAPONS THAT HE IS NOW ACCESSING. THERE IS A DISTINCT NEW RELATIONSHIP. THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO ARGUE. I BELIEVE WITH MOLLY, THEY WILL SAY IT’S UNDUE ATTENTION, BUT IT’S A DIFFERENT APPROACH. I THINK SOME WOULD LOOK AT IT AND GO, WHAT IS THE SUCCESS FACTOR HERE? WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? THAT STILL YET TO BE DETERMINED. IN MANY CASES, THE PRESIDENT HASN’T DEFINED THAT, WHICH LEAVES SPECULATION ON BOTH SIDES. >>PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE THE POINT OF SAYING, YOU LOST CRIMEA ON SOMEONE ELSE’S WATCH. IT WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA. THEN YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE SAYING, YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO HELP US HERE. YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO HELP US. I WANT TO REMIND YOU, IT WAS MAYBE A MONTH AGO THAT THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WOULD VOTE TO PUT RUSSIA BACK INTO THE G7, WHICH THEY WERE REMOVED OVER THE ISSUE OF CRIMEA. ESSENTIALLY, HE’S BEGGING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WE DON’T NEED YOUR HELP, WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT. >>WELL, THAT’S TRUE, HOWEVER, GOING TO LESLIE POINT, THE PRESIDENT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ADAM SHIFTS SAID IN A PRESS CONFERENCE EARLIER, HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN, AND HE EVEN CONCEDED THAT THE UNITED STATES DID NOT DO ENOUGH TO HELP UKRAINE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, MEANING WHEN THE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS IN OFFICE. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS STEPPED UP AND IS GETTING MILITARY AID AND, ESSENTIALLY, THEY ARE GIVING HIM THE WEAPONS HE NEEDS TO TAKE ON OR AT LEAST DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST RUSSIAN INCURSION. >>YES. I AM JUST LOOKING HERE. I GOT A STATEMENT FROM JOE BIDEN ON THE RELEASE OF THE PHONE CALL TRANSCRIPT BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. HE SAYS HERE, CONGRESS MUST PURSUE THE FACTS AND QUICKLY TAKE PROMPT ACTION TO HOLD DONALD TRUMP ACCOUNTABLE. IN THE MEANTIME, I WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS MY CAMPAIGN NOT ON HOW DONALD TRUMP ABUSED HIS POWER TO COME AFTER MY FAMILY BUT ON HOW HE HAS TURNED HIS BACK ON AMERICAN FAMILIES. HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE USED BY DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL? >>SURE. THE LANGUAGE HE’S USING, THE ABUSE OF POWER, HE IS TO MOVE INTO THOSE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, LANGUAGE PROTOCOLS IN THAT SENSE. THIS IS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SO CONTEMPTUOUS TOWARD THE PRESIDENT, THEY ARE SO BLINDED BY THEIR DISLIKE OF HIM, THEIR DESIRE TO REMOVE HIM, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ANY AVENUE TO DO THAT. BUT THEY ARE OVERREACHING. THEY CAN’T EVEN WAIT TILL THE TRANSCRIPT IS DISCLOSED. FOR BIDEN TO SAY, THANK YOU, MY HANDS ARE TIED, I’M GOING TO GO ON, I THINK THE PRESIDENT RAISED POINTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HEARD BY A LOT OF VOTERS IN THE RED STATES WHEN HE’S TALKING ABOUT THERE WAS CORRUPTION THERE. HE’S TYING THAT BACK TO HILLARY CLINTON. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THAT RECORD. PEOPLE HAVE A SUSPICION THAT THERE WAS A CORRUPTION THAT NO ONE CAN DENY OF THE INFLUENCE IN U.S. ELECTIONS IN 2016, AND YOU TALK ABOUT THIS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF CORRUPTION, EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT KIND OF WANTS IT BOTH WAYS. THERE WAS NO CORRUPTION, BUT THERE’S CORRUPTION. IT’S GOING TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE, AND IT’S GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK HYPER- PARTISAN, AND THAT’S THE SLOPE WE ARE ON, AND WE ARE GOING 80 MILES PER HOUR. THAT’S THE CHALLENGE. I THINK ANY LANGUAGE THAT COMES POST THIS CONFERENCE, THIS PET PRESS EVENT, OR CERTAINLY WITH SPEAKER PELOSI. >>WE MENTIONED SPEAKER PELOSI. HE ACTUALLY SAID JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO, NANCY PELOSI IS NOT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. SHE STILL IS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. HE SAID THAT HE DID HAVE A CALL. >>STILL THE SPEAKER, STILL THE SPEAKER. >>WE KNOW THAT HE DID HAVE A CALL WITH NANCY PELOSI. HE SAID HE, I WANTED TO TALK TO HER ABOUT GUNS, AND SHE DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT. SHE DIDN’T CARE, ESSENTIALLY, WAS WHAT HE WAS SAYING. DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION? >>NANCY PELOSI WAS NOT GETTING INTO TOO MANY DETAILS, BUT WHEN SHE DESCRIBED THIS CALL IN VARIOUS SETTINGS, SHE MADE IT SOUND LIKE THEY DID HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CONVERSATION ON GUNS AND THEN THEY TRANSITIONED INTO THIS ISSUE OF THE ADMINISTRATION NOT ALLOWING THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT TO COME TO CAPITOL HILL, AND THIS IS WHAT A SOURCE CLOSE TO NANCY PELOSI SAYS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, HEY, MY ADMINISTRATION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AND SHE SAID, WELL, UNDO IT THEN. ESSENTIALLY, ALLOW THIS COMPLAINT TO COME UP HERE. IT’S UNCLEAR, HOWEVER, HOW MUCH THEY DID GET INTO THE TOPIC OF GUNS. ONE POINT THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS ON THIS, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS PRETTY, DARE I SAY, BOLD IN GOING AFTER NANCY PELOSI IN THE WAY HE DID DURING THOSE REMARKS, BECAUSE IF THERE’S ONE PERSON YOU REALLY DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH IN WASHINGTON DC, IT’S NANCY PELOSI. SHE HAS LONGEVITY. SHE HAS MEMORY, AND SHE HAS GOT STEELY VEINS. I’M TELLING YOU, SHE’S NOT SOMEBODY AT WANT TO GO HEAD-TO- HEAD WITH. >>ESPECIALLY WHEN FACING POTENTIAL ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. >>AT THAT SAME POINT, NANCY PELOSI HAS BEEN PUT UP SOME TIME AS THE BOGEY WOMAN THAT HE LIKES TO PRESENT HER. THERE ARE FOLKS WITHIN THE PRESIDENT’S PARTY AND HIS BASE THAT TAKE THAT SENTIMENT, AND ALSO THE SENTIMENT HE PUSHED FORWARD SAYING OTHER EUROPEAN PARTIES NEED TO PULL THEIR WEIGHT. I’VE HEARD FROM OTHER REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO BELIEVE IN THAT MESSAGE. >>THERE IS DEFINITELY A MESSAGE FOR THAT. ONE THING WE KNOW FOR SURE, IF YOU ARE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, THE OPPOSITION PARTY IS GOING TO MAKE YOU THE ENEMY. WHAT’S GOING TO BE IN FUNDRAISING LETTERS. NEWT GINGRICH WAS LIKE THAT, LIKE THE GRINCH WHO STOLE CHRISTMAS. IT GOES ON AND ON. I LIKE WHAT MOLLY SAID ABOUT THAT KIND OF PROWESS. IT CANNOT BE DENIED. SHE CAN NAVIGATE. YOU GET A SENSE THAT YOU ARE LOSING THAT CONTROL. ESPECIALLY BY JUMPING THE GUN PROCEDURALLY, BUT NOT REALLY PUTTING IN THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. MOLLY CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE INTELLIGENTLY, AND HAVING CONGRESS GO THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCEDURE. IT IS GOING TO HYPER- POLITICIZE A PROCESS THAT’S ALREADY LOOKING SO POLITICAL, AND IT’S GOING TO MAKE IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT AND IT’S GOING TO CALCIFIED IN MANY WAYS THE REPUBLIC OPPOSITION TO THIS, REPUBLICAN MEMBERS, AND PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THOSE DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS THAT ONE IN REPUBLICAN AREAS. IT’S NOT THAT KIND OF CONVENING. WE ALL AGREE, THERE’S A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE COME OUT TODAY AND SAID THEY READ THE TRANSCRIPT AND THERE WASN’T A LOT OF THEIR THERE. THAT CREATES EVEN MORE CONFUSION I THINK FOR AMERICAN VOTERS. >>WHAT DO YOU MAKE THE FACT HE CONTINUED TO SUPPORT HIS ATTORNEY RUDY GIULIANI? >>YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT’S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS I HAD A QUESTION EARLIER TODAY, SOMEBODY ASKED, WILL WE SEE RUDY GIULIANI APPEAR ON CAPITAL HERE _DASH MET CAPITOL HILL IN FRONT OF HEARINGS? I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, IS JERRY NADLER HAD HIS WAY, PROBABLY YES. SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK WOULD PROBABLY UNFOLD IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND IT BECOMES A POLITICAL CIRCUS I WHICH SOMEBODY LIKE RUDY GIULIANI IS GOING TO BE DECLARING ATTORNEY- CLIENT PRIVILEGE, BUT GOING AFTER AND ESSENTIALLY FILIBUSTERING DURING THIS HEARING. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ON CAPITOL HILL IN A PUBLIC FORUM, BECAUSE, AGAIN, A LOT OF DEMOCRATS WERE VERY UPSET LAST WEEK AT THE WAY THAT THAT HEARING WAS HANDLED. IT MADE THEM LOOK DISORGANIZED AND, YOU KNOW, UNFOCUSED. THE ONE ASPECT OF THIS WHOLE RECENT RAPID IMPEACHMENT PUSH FOR IMPEACHMENT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THIS UKRAINE PHONE CALL. AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE MORE MODERATE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE SAYING, WE’VE GOT TO FOCUS LIKE A LASER ON THIS ONE ASPECT, CALL IT NATIONAL SECURITY. WE HAVE NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS WITH THE PRESIDENT AND NOT GET TAKEN AWAY WITH THESE VARIOUS TANGENTS AND ON THESE VARIOUS INVESTIGATIONS, AND SO I THINK THAT LESLIE IS RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE NANCY PELOSI SEIZED ON THE MOMENTUM THAT CAME FROM THE INITIAL OUTRAGE ALLEGATIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT, AGAIN, WAS DIGGING FOR DIRT FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ON HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO PROCEED IN TERMS OF WHO IS GOING TO LEAD IT, WHO’S GOING TO DO THE QUESTIONING, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE, WHAT’S THE TIMELINE, ARE THERE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, THAT’S JUST UNCLEAR. REALLY, THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME TO GET IT TOGETHER. >>IF IT DOES GO TO IMPEACHMENT OR ANY SORT OF IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AT THIS POINT, WHO DO YOU THINK BENEFITS FROM THIS? DOES THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN BENEFIT MORE? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT BOTH REPUBLICAN AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY? >>IT’S A NO-WIN ON BOTH SIDES. THERE IS NO WINNER IN THIS. THE PRESIDENT COULD TALK ABOUT HIS POLL NUMBERS GOING UP AND IN SOME BASE THERE IS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FROM A TRIBAL PERSPECTIVE, YES, KIND OF CIRCLE THE WAGONS. THIS IS DEMOCRATS DOING WHAT THEY DO, BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO WORK AS THE PRESIDENT HAS LAID OUT ON ISSUES LIKE BORDER SECURITY, INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTHCARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS AND ALL THE THINGS HE IS LAYING OUT. GUN REFORM. BUT THEY ARE SO BLINDED BY IMPEACHMENT THAT IT IS A FEVER PITCH, AND NOW NANCY PELOSI CAN’T CONTROL IT ANYMORE. THAT’S GOING TO WORK FOR A LOT OF VOTERS. ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, IT’S OURS FOR THE PROBLEM IS IT SOURS THE WHOLE ELECTORAL PROCESS. ESPECIALLY YOUNG VOTERS WHO ARE COMING TO THIS, THEY THINK THAT THIS IS THE WAY KIND OF POLITICS AS USUAL. THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT POLITICS USED TO BE. IT WAS NOT THIS PARTISAN. YOU ALMOST WANT TO PROTECT THOSE MODERATE DEMOCRATS AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SAY, I TALKED TO DIEHARD REPUBLICAN VOTERS TODAY AND THEY SAID, LOOK, IF THERE’S A SMOKING GUN, IS IT CONSISTENT REPUBLICANS COME ON BOARD, NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW. THEY READ THE TRANSCRIPT AND SAID, THIS IS JUST POLITICS AS USUAL. AGAIN, UNDERMINING A REALLY IMPORTANT PROCESS, AND I THINK THAT’S WHY I FEEL WE ALL LOSE. >>WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US. >>>A QUICK BREAK. WE’VE GOT THE REST OF THE DAY’S NEWS UP. YOU ARE STREAMING CBSN.

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