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CNN Breaking Trump News 10/11/19 | CNN News Today Oct 11, 2019


>>>NEXT, BREAKING NEWS. TRUMP’S DAY, WELL, PRETTY BAD. THE PRESIDENT LOSING FIVE MAJOR COURT CASES INCLUDING ONE THAT COULD GIVE DEMOCRATS HIS TAX RETURNS.>>>THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE UNLEASHING AN ATTACK ON THE PRESIDENT’S SCANDAL. SHE IS STILL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.>>>THE PRESIDENT REFUSING TO SAY IF RUDY GIULIANI IS STILL HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY. WHOA. IS TRUMP TURNING ON HIS LONG TIME FALL GUY. LET’S GO OUT FRONT.>>>GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT, THE BREAKING NEWS. IT’S A BRUTAL DAY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP FROM CONGRESS TO THE COURTS. FIRST, EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY FROM A KEY WITNESS IN THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE DEFYING TRUMP AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT’S ORDER TO STAY SILENT. AS I SPEAK AMBASSADOR MARIE YAVANOVITCH IS STILL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. SHE POINTED THE IF I TFINGER AC THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF TARGETING HER. HE SAID THIS.>>SHE MAY BE A WONDERFUL WOMAN. I DON’T KNOW HER. SHE MAY BE VERY MUCH A WONDERFUL WOMAN. I JUST. DON’T KNOW HER.>>HE DOESN’T KNOW HER. UNFORTUNATELY, ACCORDING TO THE THEORY TRANSCRIPT THAT HE CALLS PERFECT AND WORD FOR WORD HE TALKED ABOUT YOVANOVITCH TO THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. HE SAID THE WOMAN WAS BAD NEWS. HE WENT OFF CONTRADICTING HIMSELF IN THE SAME QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION. HERE HE IS AT ANOTHER POINT.>>WHY DID YOU RECALL THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE? WAS SHE A PROBLEM?>>I HEARD VERY BESIDEAD THINGST HER. I DON’T KNOW IF I RECALLED HER BUT I HEARD VERY BAD THINGS A BT H — ABOUT HER.>>TRUMP ‘S STUMBLE AROUND THER COMES AFTER FIVE SETBACKS TODAY COMING WITHIN HOURS OF EACH OTHER. DEMOCRATS COULD BE WITHIN REACH OF TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS. THIS WAS A CRUCIAL COURT RULING. A JUDGE RULING AGAINST TO KEEP THEM UNDER WRAPS. ANOTHER LAWSUIT ON THE WALL AND ANOTHER LOSS THE COURT. THREE OTHER FEDERAL JUDGES BLOCKING HIS RULE MAKING IT HARDER FOR IMMIGRANTS TO OBTAIN LEGAL STATUS. HIS RESPONSE, PRETEND HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT IT.>>WE LOST ON IMMIGRATION. I HAVEN’T HEARD THAT. WE’LL WIN.>>PERHAPS THE BEST YOU CAN PUT ON WHAT WAS A BAD DAY IS I HADN’T HEARD THAT. PAMELA BROWN IS OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS WAS NOT A GOOD DAY FOR THE PRES .>>Reporter: THAT’S RIGHT. HE’S ENDING THIS WEEK WITH A BARRAGE OF MORE NEGATIVE HEAD LI HEADLINES. THE FORMER UKRAINIAN AMBASSADOR TESTIFIED THAT THE PRESIDENT DIRECTLY CAMPAIGNED FOR HER TO BE FIRED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. DEMOCRATS CLAIM THE WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO BLOCK HER FROM TESTIFYING. SHE SHOWED UP ANY WAY. THE PRESIDENT ADDRESSED HER TESTIMONY. HE SAID SHE MAY BE A WONDERFUL WOMAN BUT HE DIDN’T KNOW HER AND DEFLECTED SAYING IT WAS THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT WHO DID NOT LIKE HER. IN A DEVASTATING BLOW THE PRESIDENT LOST SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE COURT CASES TODAY. EARLIER TODAY HE LOST THAT COURT BATTLE OVER TURNING — TURNING OVER SEVERAL YEARS OF HIS TAX RETURNS TO CONGRESS. HIS LAWYERS SAY THEY ARE WAITING AN APPEAL ON THAT DECISION BY THE D.C. APPEALS COURT AND HE LOST COURT BATTLE. THE PRESIDENT’S NATIONAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION TO BUILD A BORDER CALL IS UNLAWFUL. A FEDERAL JUDGE BLOCKED A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RULE THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR IMMIGRANTS WHO RELY ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE TO OBTAIN LEGAL STATUS. I ASKED THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THIS TODAY. HE SAID HE HADN’T ABOUT THE RULINGS ON IMMIGRATION WHEN I ASKED HIM. THIS HAD BEEN SEVERAL HOURS BUT HE DID EXPRESS CONFIDENCE HE WOULD WIN AND HE PIVOTED FOCUSING ON THE JUDGE HE’S PUT ON THE BENCH.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I’M GOING TO GO NOW TO DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN WHO SIT ONS ON THE HOUSE AND JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THE DEPOSITION WITH THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE MARIE YOVANOVITCH IS STILL ONGOING AND WE EXPECT IT TO END MOMENTARILY. I KNOW YOUR STAFF IS IN THAT ROOM. YOU HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED SO FAR. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, DID SHE SAY ANYTHING THAT FURTHERS YOUR IMPEACHMENT CASE AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP?>>HI. IT’S GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A BAD DAY FOR THE PRESIDENT BUT IT’S BEEN A GOOD DAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN PURSUIT OF JUSTICE AND PURSUIT OF THE FACTS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. MY HATS A YOU HAVE TO AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WHO, NUMBER ONE, APPEARED TODAY AND AS YOU’VE ALREADY STATED HAS BEEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TESTIFYING ALL DAY LONG. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A CAREER FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICER WHO TOOK HER OATH SERIOUSLY. SHE SERVED ADMIRABLE FOR OUR COUNTRY AND COMMITTED TO HER DUTY. THAT REALLY DEMONSTRATED ITSELF TODAY IN HER TESTIMONY. SHE’S VERY COURAGEOUS AND TODAY WAS NO EXCEPTION.>>HAS SHE SPOKEN OR HOW DIRECT HAS SHE BEEN ABOUT WHAT HE WAS EXPLICITLY ASKED TO DO IN TERMS OF GETTING UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON.>>I CAN’T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF HER TESTIMONY. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT SHE’S BEEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND SHE’S ADDED VERY VALUABLE TESTIMONY. SHE — WE WOULD CONSIDER HER A CRITICAL WITNESS IN OUR IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND I THINK SHE’S ADDED VALUE AND THERE’S MORE TO COME.>>WHICH IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU WOULD CALL HER A CRITICAL WITNESS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU SEE AS HER IMPORTANCE THUS FAR. SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING TO CNN ABOUT THE LEAK OF YOVANOVITCH’S OPENING STATEMENT WHICH THEY SAY THAT SHOULDN’T HAVE LEAKED OUT. IT GOES AGAINST THE COMMITTEE’S SECRECY RULES FOR DEPOSITION AND THEY POINT OUT THAT SELECTIVE LEAKS CAN BE MISLEADING. ARE YOU CONCERNED IT LEAKED? I KNOW IT FURTHERS YOUR SIDE OF THINGS BUT ON PRINCIPLE, IS IT A PROBLEM IN. >>WELL WHAT I CAN SAY IS IT’S GREAT TO HEAR MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES COMPLAIN ABOUT THE RULES IF THEIR MINDS NOT BEING FOLLOWED. THAT’S GREAT TO HEAR AND I THINK IT’S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY WERE SAYING LAST NIGHT, LAST WEEK. WE ALL SHOULD PLAY BY THE RULES. THIS IS VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS. IT’S A SERIOUS HISTORICAL TIME FOR OUR COUNTRY AND WE ARE ABOUT INTERVIEW AND FACT WITNESSES. WE’RE ABOUT PROTECTING THE IDENTITY OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WHO KIND OF STARTED ALL OF THIS AND WE’RE INTERESTED IN GETTING TO THE TRUTH AND I HOPE THAT MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE SHARE THOSE VIEWS.>>I WILL SAY YOU POINT OUT THEY ARE SAYING IT GOES AGAINST THE SECRECY RULE WHICH IS THEY HAVE POINTED TO AS BEING EVIDENCE OF DEMOCRATS UNWILLINGNESS TO BE FORTHRIGHT. THEY ARE TRYING TO PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN. ACCORDING TO THE DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN, THE WHITE HOUSE AND STATE DEPARTMENT TOLD MARIE YOVANOVITCH NOT TO TESTIFY. SHE DEFIED THAT. SHE SHOWED UP. ARE YOU CONCERNED THE STATE DEPARTMENT COULD RETALIATE AGAINST HER? THERE WAS SOME TALK THEY MIGHT SAY IF YOU SAID ONE THING THAT WE FIND WAS CLASSIFIED THEN WE COULD PROSECUTE YOU?>>WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT’S DISAPPOINTING AND WHAT I’M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE WHITE HOUSE FAILURE TO COOPERATE WITH THIS INQUIRY, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE OVERSIGHT THAT IS GIVEN TO CONGRESS IN THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. I’M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT WOULD TRY TO BLOCK SOMEONE WHO CAN PROVIDE CRITICAL INFORMATION IN THIS INVESTIGATION. LOOK, AS I SAID EARLIER, AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH IS A CAREER FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICER WHO HAS TAKEN HER OATH VERY SERIOUSLY. SHE HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS COURAGEOUS AND TOUGH. TODAY IS NO EXCEPTION. I’M DELIGHTED THAT SHE IS COMMITTED TO GETTING TO THE TRUTH AND UNCOVERING CORRUPTION WHERE EVER IT MAY EXIST AND I’M DELIGHTED THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH US TODAY.>>I DON’T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THIS BUT IT JUST HAPPENED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET OO CHANCE TO RESPOND. MIKE POMPEO WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS COOPERATION WITH THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. HE HAD TOLD YOVANOVITCH NOT TO GO. HE RESPONDED. HERE IS WHAT HE SAID, QUOTE, WE’RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE’RE LAWFULLY REQUIRED TO DO. PERIOD, FULL STOP. IT’S MY DUTY. I RAISED MY RIGHT HAND SAID I’LL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE AND I WILL. DOES HE REALLY BELIEVE WHAT HE’S SAYING OR DO YOU THINK THAT’S A GIANT LIE?>>WHAT I’LL SAY IS THIS, MY HUSBAND LIKES TO SAY YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOUTH SAY ANYTHING AND THE BEST INDICATION OF FUTURE PERFORMANCE IS TO LOOK AT PAST PERFORMANCE. TODAY SECRETARY POMPEO HAS NOT BEEN A WILLING PARTICIPANT. IT APPEARS HE HAS SUPPORTED THE WHITE HOUSE EFFORTS TO OBSTRUCT OUR INVESTIGATION. SECRETARY POMPEO WAS ON THE CALL ON JULY 25th WHICH MAKES HIM A FACT WITNESS. I HOPE HE REMEMBERS WHAT HE SAID IN THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING HIS TESTIMONY AND SEEING WHATEVER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE STATE DEPARTMENT.>>THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.>>THANK YOU.>>>NEXT, IS TRUMP TURNING ON HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY? THE GUY WHO HAS TAKEN THE FALL SO MANY TIMES HE’S BROKEN HIS FACE, RUDY GIULIANI.>>IS RUDY GIULIANI STILL YOUR PERSONAL ATTORNEY?>>I DON’T KNOW. I HAVEN’T SPOKEN TO RUDY.>>>THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE’S TESTIMONY WAS DAMAGING BUT ANY NEXT GUEST THINKS IT’S THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG AND THE SHEP SMITH ABRUPTLY QUITTING. WHY?>>IT’S MY HOPE HATHAT THE FACT WILL WIN THE DAY. THAT T LET ME MAY ALLOW THIS QUESTION AND ANSWER WENT.>>IS RUDY GIULIANI STILL YOUR PERSONAL ATTORNEY?>>I DON’T KNOW. I HAVEN’T SPOKEN TO RUDY. I SPOKE TO HIM YESTERDAY BRIEFLY. HE’S A VERY GOOD ATTORNEY AND HE HAS BEEN MY ATTORNEY.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO DECIDES. THAT’S ABSURD. KIM, LET ME START WITH YOU. THE GUY WHO HIRES HIS ATTORNEY SAYS I DON’T KNOW IF HE’S STILL MY ATTORNEY. WOW.>>WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT ATTORNEY IN QUOTES. WE SAW THIS WITH HIS LAST PERP ATTORNEY, MICHAEL COHEN. WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT PRIVILEGE PS. THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT IMPRESSIVE L — PRIVILEGE ONLY APPLIES IF THEY ARE GETTING LEGAL ADVICE. IT LOOKS LIKE MR. TRUMP IS DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM RUDY GIULIANI WHO CLEARLY IN SOME POTENTIAL CRIMINAL LEGAL LIABILITY IN THIS MOMENT.>>I HOPE HE’S NOT LOOKING AT MICHAEL COHEN AS THE MODEL OF HOW THINGS CAN TURN OUT. I DON’T SAY IT TO LAUGH BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST PERSON WHO WAS THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY OF THE PRESIDENT. TRUMP TOOK RUDY OUT BY THE KNEES BY SAYING I DON’T KNOW. THAT WAS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD SAY ABOUT SOMEBODY YOU WERE DEFENDING. RUDY GIULIANI HAD NO IDEA. YES RUDY GIULIANI TEXTED ME WHEN I ASKED WAS HE STILL REPRESENTING TRUMP. I’M STILL HIS ATTORNEY, GIULIANI SAID AGAIN.>>THE FACT IS THE PRESIDENT AND GIULIANI ARE JOINED AT THE HIP AND WILL REMAIN THAT WAY FOR WHATEVER WE’RE WITNESSING GOES. THAT’S A GREAT LIABILITY FOR TRUMP. HE’S NOT ONLY GIULIANI IN THIS MIDST OF THIS CONSPIRACY WITH THESE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO WERE ARRESTED BUT ALSO WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE IS A CONSPIRACY. THAT IS THE ALLEGATION AND IF THERE IS A HIGH CRIME AND IF THERE’S AS PYRES A GRAVE ABUSE OF POWER, IT HAS TO DO WITH A CONSPIRACY IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND RUDY GIULIANI HAVE CON SPIE CONSPIRED. THEY ARE JOINED AND THEY WILL BE JOINED. NOW REPUBLICANS ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT GIULIANI NOT AS AN ASSET IN TERMS OF GINNING UP THE BASE BUT A REAL LIABILITY IN THIS CONJOINMENT THAT CAN SINK THE PRESIDENT IF THINGS KEEP GOING SOUTH.>>THE DIFFERENCE — THERE ARE MANY BUT ON A VERY SIMPLISTIC LEVEL, MICHAEL CHOHEN AND TRUMP WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THE EXCHANGES. WITH HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAID THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TALKED TO GIULIANI.>>THE REPUBLICAN SOURCES I’M TALKING TO ON THE HILL ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI. THAT’S WHERE THEY THINK THE NEXT SHOE TO DROP IS AND I THINK WHAT YOU’RE SEEING FROM TRUMP IS CLASSIC DONALD TRUMP. HE’S DISTANCING HIMSELF BUT IT’S ALWAYS INTERESTING TO WATCH TRUMP DO THIS FOR THE MAN WHO DEMANDS SO MUCH LOYALTY. AS SOON AS HE GETS NERVOUS THAT YOU’RE NOT IN HIS BEST INTEREST, YOU’RE GONE.>>DOES IT MEAN HE THINKS HE CAN BE IN TROUBLE HIMSELF ABOUT THEY ARE JOINED ED AT THE HIP?>>I THINK THAT’S RIGHT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT GIULIANI HAS BEEN A LIABILITY TO THE PRESIDENT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. IT’S BEEN BUILDING RECENTLY AND NOW IT APPEARS THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS THE SUBJECT OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, IF NOT THE TARGET, AND SO HE HAS SOME SERIOUS LEGAL JEOPARDY AND THE PRESIDENT SENSES THAT. IT WILL BE AWFULLY DIFFICULT FOR THE PRESIDENT EVEN IF HE PRETENDS NOT TO KNOW HIM MANY THE M COING DAYS, WHICH I PREDICT WILL HAPPEN. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DISTANCE HIMSELF IN A REAL WAY FROM GIULIANI. IT’S TOO LATE FOR THAT.>>CARL, RUDY GIULIANI HAS CHANGED THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE OF HIS CAREER FOR DONALD TRUMP. HE WAS AMERICA’S MAYOR. HE’S NOW TRUMP’S MAN. THAT IS WHAT HE IS. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER HIM BY. ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION WHEN THE TAPE CAME OUT ABOUT GRAB HIM BY THE P. NO ONE COUWOULD DEFEND TRUMP. RUDY GIULIANI TOOK CHRIS CHRISTIE’S SPOT AND HE SAID STUFF LIKE THIS.>>FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T KNOW THAT HE DID THAT TO ANYONE. THIS IS TALK. HE WHO HASN’T SINNED THROW THE FIRST STONE HERE. THE FACT IS THAT MEN, AT TIME, TALK LIKE THAT. NOT ALL MEN BUT MEN DO.>>WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SAY?>>HERE IS MY QUESTION FROM THIS. IF TRUMP IS SELLING OUT RUDY, WHICH HE IS DOING PUBLICLY NOW. WHO IS IT THAT WON’T JUMP OFF TRUMP’S SHIP? WHY IS IT ANYBODY WOULD GIVE A PERSON LOYALTY WHEN THE PERSON WHO DID THAT FOR TRUMP IS STILL DISPENSABLE?>>TRUMP HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND HIM WHO AGREE WITH WHAT TRUMP DOES AND WHAT HE SAYS AND THERE ARE A WILL THE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WILL STAY THROUGH NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES. I THINK THERE ARE SOME IT WON’T HAPPEN TO. WE HAVE TO STEP BACK HERE AND LOOK AT THIS CONJOINED APPARATUS WHICH IS GIULIANI AND TRUMP AND THE OUT OF CONTROL, UNRAVELING OF BOTH PARTIES HERE. HOW THIS IS LOOKING IN RE RETROSPECT IN TERMS OF REPUBLICAN LOOKING AT VIDEO AND LOOKING AT OLD VIDEO OF RUDY GIULIANI FLAPPING AND DONALD TRUMP AND WHAT HE HAS SAID. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A MATTER OF DECORUM BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM THAT IS TO EXTRAORDINARILY OUT OF ANYTHING WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE AND NOW IT MIGHT HAVE HELPED WITH THE BASE BEFORE, NOW THAT DECORUM ITSELF IS PLAYING AGAINST BOTH OF THEM AND MAKES THE LEGAL PROBLEMS LOOK BIGGER.>>A FEDERAL JUDGE IN TEXAS, YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE WITH YOVANOVITCH AND NOW TRUMP AND THIS RUDY GIULIANI SITUATION. A FEDERAL JUDGE RULED THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION ON THE WALL IS UNLAWFUL. WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WAS NOT AWARE OF IT. HERE IS WHAT HE SAID.>>WE LOST ON IMMIGRATION. I HAVEN’T HEARD THAT. WE’LL WIN. YOU KNOW HOW MANY CASES I’VE LOST AND THEN WE WIN?>>KIM, DO YOU BUY HE HASN’T HEARD THAT?>>I DON’T. HE ALSO NOT A STUDENT OF THE CONSTITUTION. HE SAID THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CAN BE IMPEACHED. THIS IS ABOUT FEDERAL COURTS UNDERSTAND IT’S ABOUT HAVING CHECKS AND BALANCES ON THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. NOT EVEN THIS PARTICULAR MAN. THEY ARE RUNNING ROUGH SHOT OVER ALL OF THEM. THE LAWYERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE MAKING LEGALLY INDEFENSIBLE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE STUNNING FROM MY POINT OF VIEW HAVING BEEN IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. I DISAGREE. THE COURTS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE LIMITS ON THE PRESIDENT’S POWER. HE’S WRONG ON THAT. I THINK EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BRUSH UP ON WHY WE HAVE THIS KIND OF THREE BRANCH SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT. THE FRAMERS DID NOT WANT A MONARCHY. DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK HE WILL BE SURPRISED EVEN AT THE SUPREME COURT LEVEL WITH THE CONSERVATIVE JUDGES WHO WILL ALSO DISAGREE WITH HIM.>>IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF THEY GO THE BILL BARR ROUTE IF THEY SEE IT AS THEIR ABILITY TO INCREASE THE POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. ANOTHER COURT BLOCKING HIS TAXES. HE SAYS THIS COULD GO TO THE SUPREME COURT. IT’S BEEN A SEVEN MONTH BATTLE WITH CONGRESS AND A BIG LOSS TONIGHT.>>DONALD TRUMP LIKES WINS. THIS WAS A LOSS. IT’S A BIG LOSS. HE MAY DECIDE, THEY ARE REVIEWING IT, ABOUT GOING TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY MAY DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A TACTIC HERE TO DELAY AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE ELECTION. THAT COURT MADE VERY CLEAR ONCE AGAIN IT IS NOT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THE HOUSE. THE HOUSE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEND OUT THESE SUBPOENAS. HE MAY DELAY BUT FROM EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN, HE’S GOING TO LOSE.>>HE’S NOT WON ON THAT ONE YET. ALL OF YOU STAY WITH ME. THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE IS MOMENTS AWAY FROM WRAPPING UP HER TESTIMONY. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS SHE’S GOING TO COME OUT AND WE’RE GOING TO HEAR LIVE FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE THERE WHAT HAPPENED. THAT WILL BE THIS HOUR. WE TRAVEL TO FLORIDA TO FIND OUT WHAT REPUBLICANS THINK ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION AND YOU MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN WHAT THEY>>>FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE IS TESTIFYING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. WE BELIEVE THIS IS WRAPGPING UP AND THE CHAIRMAN AND RANKING MEMBER WILL BE COMING TO CAMERAS SOON. WE’LL GIVE THAT TO YOU LIVE. TRUMP TALKED ABOUT HER IN THE TRANSCRIPT. SHE WAS VERY BAD. ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE WASHINGTON POST IN HER APPEARANCE TODAY SHE BLASTED WHAT SHE CALLED A QUOTE CONSERTED CAMPAIGN TO REMOVE HER. SHE SAID PIT WAS TIED TO TRUMP. SHE SAID ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND I SERVED AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT I WAS NEVER ANYTHING ELSE INKRCREDULOUS THAT THE U.S CHOSE TO REMOVE AN AMBASSADOR BY PEOPLE WITH QUESTIONABLE MOTIVES WHICH IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO RUDY GIULIANI, TRUMP’S THEN LAWYER WHO WAS LEADING A PUSH TO DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN. EVERYBODY IS BACK WITH ME. HOW DAMAGING DO YOU THINK HER TESTIMONY WAS TODAY.>>CONGRESSWOMAN DEMMING WAS RIGHT. FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND HEARD WHAT HAS BEEN REPORTED, SHE SEE SEEMS TO BE RIGHT AT THE CENTER OF THIS AND A CRITICAL WITNESS AND A WHISTLE-BLOWER IN EFFECT IS THE WAY I WOULD DESCRIBE HER. THIS IS NOT AN EASY THING FOR A CURRENT STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TO DO BUT SHE CLEARLY FEELS STRONGLY THAT SHE HAS INFORMATION THAT THE CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW. I ASSUME SHE BELIEVES THAT HER SITUATION AND THE UKRAINE SITUATION HAS BEEN MISCHARACTERIZED AND SHE NEEDS TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. LIT BE FASCINATING TO SEE WHAT SHE SAID TODAY WHEN THE DETAILS COME OUT.>>OBVIOUSLY, WOE’LL HEAR THE SPIN OF BOTH SIDES LIVE. WHAT DOES IT SAY TO YOU THAT SHE DID TESTIFY? THAT HE DIDN’T WANT HER TO. SHE’S A CURRENT EMPLOYEE OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS REMOVED FROM HER POSITION. SHE DEFIED THAT AND SHE WENT AND SHOWED UP TODAY. WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU? WHAT RISKS ARE SHE TAKING?>>IT’S SHOWS A TREND THAT WE HAVE CAREER PROFESSIONAL WHO IS ARE SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH EVEN IF THAT MEANS PUTTING THEIR OWN FUTURES IN JEOPARDY AND THEIR OWN REPUTATION ON THE INTERNET. THERE’S A LOT OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS THAT WOULD NOT BE HAPPY WITH SOMEONE LIKE THIS. JUST TO BE CLEAR, SHE’S RIGHT. THIS IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THE PRESIDENT’S RIGHT TO PULL HER BACK. THE ISSUE IS THAT THE NARRATIVE APPEARS TO BE THAT THE REASON SHE WAS PULLED BACK WAS POTENTIALLY THAT SHE HAD AN OBJECTION TO THE EFFORTS TO GET THE UKRAINIAN PROSECUTION TEAM TO INVESTIGATE AMERICAN CITIZENS. THAT IS JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON. THAT’S AN ILLEGAL ACT. THAT’S REALLY WHAT IS AT ISSUE HERE. PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT WE HEAR CONSPIRACY THEORIES BUT I WAS IN THE GOVERNMENT. THESE PEOPLE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO REALLY CARE. WHAT SHE IS SAYING IS AMERICA, THIS IS SERIOUS. THIS IS NOT ONLY SERIOUS FOR THE SFWEGTY OF THE PRESIDENCY AND OUR SEPARATION OF POWERS BUT IT’S SERIOUS FOR PURPOSES OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT’S ABILITY TO FUNCTION, TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE.>>JAMIE, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF, I GUESS IN A SENSE SHE’S BEEN PART OF THIS BUT SHE HAD BEEN SILENCED UNTIL NOW. OBVIOUSLY, HER REMOVAL HAPPENED IN MAY, OVER HER REFUSAL TO TRY TO FURTHER INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN ON THE D.L.>>WE’RE HEARING HER TESTIMONY WAS SCATHING BUT WE JUST RECEIVED A LETTER THAT COMES FORMER HIGH RANKING STATE DEPARTMENT DEFENSE NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS, 27 OF THEM SIGNED IT. THESE ARE PEOPLE LIKE FORMER DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE TONY BLINKING, ERIC EDDELMAN, NICK BURNS. THIS IS AN OPEN LETTER THAT WE HAVE JUST GOTTEN ADDRESSED TO MIKE POMOMPEO, SECRETARY OF STA BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMBASSADOR’S SAFETY THAT THEY ARE ASKING POMPEO TO DEFEND AND SUPPORT HER. WE ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REPORTED STATEMENT THAT SHE’S QUOTE, SHE’S GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS. SUCH LANGUAGE COULD BE INTERPRETED AS A THREAT OF SOME KIND. THEY ARE PUTTING THIS OUT THERE AND THEY ARE CALLING ON SECRETARY OF STATE POMPEO TO SUPPORT, DEFEND AND PROTECT HER. THAT’S HOW CONCERNED THEY ARE.>>WE HEAR SHE’S CRITICAL AND YET FROM THE LATEST WASHINGTON POST REPORTING ARE LEARNING THAT JOHN BOLTON, AFTER THIS PHONE CALL, OR BEFORE THE PHONE CALL GOES BALLISTIC WHEN GORDON SONDLAND SHOWED UP AND WAS PULLED BACK BY THE WHITE HOUSE AND MAY SHOW UP OR NOT NOW, SUGGESTS DOING ALL THIS TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN. JOHN BOLTON GOES BALLISTIC.>>AND THERE ARE WITNESSES AND THEY ARE GOING TO TESTIFY AND BOLTON WILL MAKE KNOWN WHAT HE WITNESSED. HE DID NOT LEAVE THIS ADMINISTRATION WALKING OUT THE DOOR A HAPPY CAMPER. THE PRESIDENT, HE DISAGREED REALLY STRENUOUSLY WITH WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S FOREIGN POLICY OBJECTIVES WERE IN AFGHANISTAN AND HE LEFT NOT ON GOOD TERMS. HE’S A REAL THREAT, MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. HE’S IN A POSITION TO SAY OUT LOUD WHAT McMASTER, KELLY, OTHERS SAID UNDER THE TABLE A LITTLE BIT. THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND BOLTON SAID THIS TO OTHERS IS A DANGER TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT BEFORE WHOSE PRINCIPAL NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER THINKS HE’S A DANGER TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY.>>WILL WE HEAR FROM SOMEONE LIKE JOHN BOLTON. THE OTHER DAY WE HEARD FROM H.R. McMASTER WHERE HE SAID THE POEN CALL WAS INAPPROPRIATE. THAT’S A SOUND BITE. IT GETS OUT THERE AND DIDN’T GET AMPLIF AMPLIFIED. TESTIMONY FROM SOMEONE LIKE JOHN BOLTON WILL BE A GAME CHANGER. WILL IT HAPPEN IN. >>IT COULD. I MEN HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER SCORNED. HE MAY COME FORWARD AND DO THAT. HE’S NOT UNIVERSALLY LOVED IN WASHINGTON. HE CAN BE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND HAWKISH. I DON’T THINK ANYBODY CAN DISPUTE HE’S A NATIONAL SECURITY THINKER. HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT EVEN THOUGH SOME PEOPLE IN TOWN MAY THINK HE’S WRONG. FOR HIM TO HAVE OBSERVED WHAT HE THOUGHT, CLEARLY, WAS AN AMATEURISH EFFORT AT FOREIGN DIP DIP DIPLOMACY AND NATIONAL SECURITY MAY BE ENOUGH TO CONVINCE HIM TO COME FORWARD AND SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT FOR HIS OWN SAKE AND THE COUNTRY’S.>>WHAT WE’RE ABOUT TO SEE HAPPEN WOULD BE JIM JORDAN AND ADAM SCHIFF COMING OUT. WHAT WE EXPECT TO HEAR IS ONE PERSON SAYING THIS IS PUTTING THE NAIL IN COFFIN OF AN IMPEACHMENT CASE AND THE OTHER ONE SAYING SHE HAD NOTHING NEW TO SAY AND SHE’S JUST A PARTISAN HACK. YOU’RE JUST GOING TO HEAR THIS POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP IS HOW IT WILL SOUND TO SO MANY AMERICANS. IS THAT EVER GOING TO CHANGE? IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE A TIME WHEN YOU DO HAVE REPUBLICANS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY ON THESE COMMITTEES WHO SAY WHAT WE’RE HEARING IS BAD?>>THAT IS A POLITICAL JUDGMENT. WE SAW IN THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION THAT AT SOME POINT ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH. IT’S NOT A EITHER OR IN THIS MOMENT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THIS WITNESS IS AN IMPORTANT WITNESS BUT THERE’S MANY, MANY MORE. THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTS THAT STILL NEED TO COME OUT. I WORKED ON THE WHITE WATER INVESTIGATION. THAT WAS CASE IN WHICH KEN STAR HANDED THE ENTIRE DOSSIER OF EVIDENCE TO THE CONGRESS. ALL OF THAT WAS DONE BY PROSECUTORS. WE NOW HAVE THE CONGRESS THAT IN REALTIME IS TRYING TO ACTUALLY DO THE INVESTIGATION AND IT’S GOING TO TAKE TIME IF THEY DO IT PROPERLY.>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I SHOULD POINT OUT, THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT IN THE HOUSE IT’S LIKE A GRAND JURY. YOU DON’T HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE YOUR REPRESENTATION. BE IT IS DONE IN SECRECY. THOSE ARE THE RULES. THANKS TO ALL. NEXT, WE TRAVEL TO FLORIDA TO SEE IF TRUMP’S BASE WILL STICK WITH LHIM NO MATTER WHAT THE IMPEACHMENT INVS. ESTI>>>BREAKING NEWS, PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT TO ARRIVE TO A RALLY IN LOUISIANA TONIGHT. TRUMP SURROUNDING HIMSELF WITH SUPPORTERS RAILING AGAINST THE HOUSE IMPEACEACHMENT INQUIRY. WE WANT TO GO TO FLORIDA FIRST. STATE TRUMP WON BY 1% IN 2016 TO SEE IF THAT MESSAGE IS RESONATING. HE’S GOT TO WIN THAT STATE G AGAIN.>>Reporter: WELCOME TO ORLANDO, FLORIDA. NOT THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE BUT WHERE PEOPLE REALLY LIVE AND VOTE AND WE’RE TALKING TO TRUMP SP VOTERS.>>I DON’T THINK HE’S GET FAIR DEAL. I THINK IT’S VERY POLITICAL. >>Reporter: NEARLY THREE WEEK SB SB S, POLLING SHOWS A SHIFT IN THE PUBLIC ATTITUDE TOWARD IMPEACHMENT. A FOX NEWS POLL FOUND 51% OF REGISTERED VOTERS SUPPORTED PRESIDENT TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. WE WANTED TO SEE IF SHIFTING POLLS SUGGEST TRUMP VULNERABILITY IN THE SWING REGION OF A KEY STATE. FOR MOST, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.>>DOESN’T CHANGE YOUR OPINION OF THIS PRESIDENT?>>IN THIS CASE, NO. NO.>>YOU DON’T BELIEVER HE’S DONE ANYTHING WRONG OR BROKEN ANY SORT OF OATH OF OFFICE?>>IN THIS CASE, NO. >>Reporter: ON CAMERA. NO TRUMP VOTER WOULD TELL US THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.>>DO YOU BELIEVE THIS PRESIDENT HAS USED HIS OFFICE FOR POLITICAL GAIN?>>IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE?>>YES.>>I DON’T THINK SO. >>Reporter: MOST TRUMP VOTERS CALLED THE IMPEACHMENT A SHAM PUT ON BY DEMOCRATS FULL OF UNSUBSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS. THEY DOWN PLAYED THE PHONE CALL THAT SEEMS TO SEEK DIRT ON JOE BIDEN.>>YOU SEEN THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE PHONE CALL. I’D LIKE YOU TO DO US A FAVOR.>>I’VE SEEN THE >>>GOOD EVENING. I’M ERIN BURNETT. “OUT FRONT” TONIGHT, BREAKING NEWS, TWO MEN ARRESTED FROM THE UKRAINE SCANDAL. THEY’RE PERSONAL ASSOCIATES OF RUDY GIULIANI, TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYER. THEY WERE SEEN HAVING LUNCH WITH GIULIANI AT THE TRUMP INTERNATIONAL HOTEL IN WASHINGTON JUST HOURS BEFORE THEY WERE ARRESTED AT THE AIRPORT. I WANT TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE MEN ABOUT GIULIANI AT THAT SAME HOTEL JUST LAST MONTH. THESE TWO MEN WERE ARRESTED AS THEY WERE ABOUT TO LEAVE THE UNITED STATES WITH ONE-WAY TICKETS. HERE’S WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID LATE THIS AFTERNOON.>>I DON’T KNOW THEM. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEM. ENWHAT THEY DO. I DON’T KNOW. MAYBE THEY WERE CLIENTS OF RUDY, YOU’D HAVE TO ASK RUDY. I JUST DON’T KNOW.>>ONE POSSIBLE PROBLEM FOR THE PRESIDENT, ALL OF THE PHOTOS LIKE THIS, PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH ONE OF THE MEN AFTER DINNER AT THE WHITE HOUSE BACK IN MAY. ANOTHER ONE FROM JULY OF LAST YEAR WITH THE OTHER GIULIANI ASSOCIATE AND ANOTHER ONE, HERE’S BOTH OF THEM WITH TRUMP, GIULIANI AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. EVAN PERES IS OUT FRONT TONIGHT. HOW CLOSER THESE MEN WHO ARE NOW ARRESTED, RIGHT, FOR — FOR ALLEGED CRIMES TO GIULIANI? HOW CLOSER THEY TO GIULIANI?>>THEY’RE VERY CLOSE. GIULIANI HAS REFERRED TO THEM AS HIS CLIENTS AND ERIN, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THESE ARE THE GUYS WHO HAVE — WHO ALLEGEDLY WERE BEHIND SOME OF THIS OPERATION THAT GIULIANI’S BEEN RUNNING TO TRY TO DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN’S SON ALLEGING THAT THERE WAS SOME CORRUPTION ALLEGATIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE INVESTIGATED THERE IN UKRAINE. THESE MEN ALLEGEDLY, ACCORDING TO THIS — THIS INDICTMENT THAT WAS UNSEALED BY PROSECUTORS IN MANHATTAN TODAY WERE ACTUALLY DOING OTHER THINGS. THEY WERE ESSENTIALLY RUNNING A BUSINESS THAT WAS MOVING MONEY FROM UKRAINIAN SOURCES, FROM PEOPLE OVERSEAS AND TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY HIDE IT AS THEY WERE TRYING TO FUNNEL IT TO CANDIDATES HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. THESE WERE CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT ALLEGEDLY WERE GOING TO A PRO-TRUMP POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. ALL, OF COURSE, IS ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO DO BECAUSE UNDER U.S. LAW YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO DONATE FOREIGN MONEY INTO U.S. CANDIDATES. SO THAT’S HOW CLOSE THEY WERE, AND THE QUESTION NOW, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ONLY HOW FAR DOES THIS GO? WE KNOW THAT GIULIANI OBVIOUSLY WAS VERY TIED TO THESE MEN AND YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAYING HE HAD NO IDEA WHO THEY WERE, BUT IS THAT TRUE? WHO ELSE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS?>>OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND SEVERAL PICTURES. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A LOT OF PICTURES WITH THE PRESIDENT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THESE ARE REPETITIVE EVENTS AND THIS TIES BACK FOR TRUMP’S ATTEMPT TO GET DIRT FROM JOE BIDEN FROM UKRAINE.>>RIGHT. EXACTLY. ONE OF THE BROADER QUESTIONS THAT’S BEING ASKED TONIGHT, ERIN IS WHETHER OR NOT THE EFFORT TO SMEAR JOE BIDEN WAS PERHAPS ANOTHER INFLUENCE OPERATION, FOREIGN INFLUENCE OPERATION ITSELF. WAS IT PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT, PERHAPS THE RUSSIANS, PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO-RUSSIAN BUSINESS PEOPLE IN UKRAINE WERE BEHIND FUNDING SOME OF THIS. AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED BECAUSE THE FBI AND PROSECUTORS IN MANHATTAN DON’T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A FULL EXPLANATION YET ABOUT WHERE THIS MONEY WAS COMING FROM.>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVAN, AND I WANT TO GET STRAIGHT TO JIM ACOSTA WHO IS TRAVELING WITH THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT. TRUMP VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM A PERSON THAT HE SEEMED THRILLED FOR A LONG TIME TO BE, YOU KNOW, TIED TO, AND THAT IS RUDY GIULIANI.>>THAT’S RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY, ERIN. THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO PUT SOME SPACE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND RUDY GIULIANI. YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT ON THE SOUTH LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE ON THIS AFTERNOON ON HIS WAY TO THE RALLY IN MINNEAPOLIS TELLING REPORTERS HE DIDN’T KNOW THE TWO ASSOCIATES AND TELLING REPORTERS IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE UP TO, TALK TO RUDY GIULIANI. AT ONE POINT THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED WHY ARE YOU APPEARING IN THESE PICTURES WITH THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS AND HE SAID HE TAKES PICTURES WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AS A POLITICAL CANDIDATE. I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT’S OTHER PERSONAL ATTORNEY JAKE SEKULOW AND HE ONLY MADE A BRIEF COMMENT SAYING NEITHER PRESIDENT TRUMP OR THE CAMPAIGN IS INVOLVED IN THE SCHEME THAT THESE GENTLEMEN WERE ALLEGEDLY INVOLVED HERE. A SHORT TIME AGO BRAD PARSCALE, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER WAS BRIEFLY TALKING WITH REPORTERS. I ASKED HIM, DID HE KNOW THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS TIED TO ROOUDY GIULIANI. HE RAISES HIS MONEY $64 AT A TIME. SO THE CAMPAIGN ALSO TRYING TO PUT SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND RUDY GIULIANI. ONE FINAL THING, ERIN, THAT I THOUGHT SPOKE VOLUMES EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED WHETHER OR NOT HE BELIEVES RUDY GIULIANI, HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY, FRIEND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WILL BE INDICTED? HE SAID ONLY, I HOPE NOT.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JIM ACOSTA. MUCH MORE ON THAT AND AS I WAS LOOKING DOWN HERE. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE BREAKING NEWS THAT WE HAVE. “THE WASHINGTON POST” IS REPORTING AT THIS HOUR THAT AT LEAST FOUR NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION’S ATTEMPTS TO PRESSURE UKRAINE FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. THERE IS A LOT OF BREAKING NEWS IN THIS STORY AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, THEY’RE SAYING THESE CONCERNS WERE RAISED BEFORE THE CALL AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE CALL WITH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY. GREG MILLER BROKE THE STORY AND JOINS ME. GREG, YOU’RE SAYING FOUR NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS RAISED ALARMS ABOUT WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE WAS DOING, AND THEY DID THIS BEFORE THE CALL BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY CONCERNED AND AFTER THE CALL?>>YEAH. THAT’S RIGHT, AND THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE AND THESE ARE FOUR OFFICIALS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND THERE MAY BE MORE, AND YEAH. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS IN OUR STORY IS THAT SOME OF THESE OFFICIALS WERE GOING TO LAWYERS INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THEIR CONCERNS EVEN BEFORE THE CALL BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE STUFF THEY SAW HAPPENING AND WOULD INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF A U.N. AMBASSADOR AND RUDY GIULIANI AND PLANNING TRIPS TO DIKIEV AND OTR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER AT THE WHITE HOUSE IN EARLY JULY THAT REALLY UNNERVED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.>>SO YOU ALSO, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU — THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE THAT APPEAR VERY SIGNIFICANT. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL ITSELF THAT THERE WAS IMMEDIATE CONCERN ABOUT IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON IT HAD VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS. NOW, YOU’RE REPORTING THAT WITHIN HOURS OF THAT CONVERSATION IT GOT MOVED. IT DIDN’T EVEN TAKE A DAY. WITHIN HOURS THEY MOVED IT TO THE CODE LEVEL SERVER?>>YEAH. SO THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED TO US THAT THIS WAS AN IMMEDIATE REACTION. THAT EVEN COMING OUT OF THE CALL THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE IMMEDIATELY TURNING TO HIGHER RANKING PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY WERE REALLY ALARMED BY WHAT HAPPENED AND THERE WAS PANIC AND YOU HAVE THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER JOHN BOLTON AT THE TIME THAT WAS NOT ON THE CALL, SCRAMBLING TO GET A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED AND OTHER OFFICIALS ARE ORDERING THIS INTO A HIGHLY CLASSIFIED SERVER TO GET IT OUT OF VISIBILITY.>>ONE OTHER POINT HERE, YOU TALK ABOUT GORDON SONDLAND WHO THEY PULLED FROM TESTIFYING THIS WEEK WHO HAD BEEN A BIG DONOR TO THE PRESIDENT AND WAS THEN THE AMBASSADOR TO THE EUROPEAN UNION AND HE STARTED BRINGING STUFF UP WITH JOE BIDEN AND THE DEBUNKED CONS CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT UKRAINE’S ROLE IN 2016. YOU REPORT THAT JOHN BOLTON WAS IN THERE AND WENT BALLISTIC. >>YEAH.>>WAS JOHN BOLTON BALLISTIC BECAUSE HE BEING NOT BELIEVE THIS WAS HAPPENING AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT?>>I THINK BOLTON, AS CONTROVERSIAL AS HE WAS AS A NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, HE WAS VERY CRITICAL OF RUSSIA AND VERY SUPPORTIVE OF UKRAINE AND HE SAW WHAT JEWEL YAEN WAS DOING AND WHAT THESE TWO AMBASSADORS WERE DOING AS DERAILING WHAT HE REGARDED AS A VERY IMPORTANT POLICY, AND HE BLOWS UP OVER THAT MEETING IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THERE’S A REFERENCE. L SONDLAND, THEY’RE MEETING WITH A UKRAINIAN DELEGATION AND GOING AFTER THE PRE-APPROVED TALKING POINTS AND SONDLAND GOES OFF SCRIPT AND STARTS TALKING ABOUT UKRAINE RE-OPENING INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAD BEEN CLOSED AND HE DOESN’T USE THE WORD BIDEN AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS AND IT IS A FRIGHTENING MOMENT. >>IT’S INTERESTING THAT IT COULD BE A THIRD RAIL OF BOLTON AND WE’RE WONDERING WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS AND HOW IMPORTANT HE COULD BE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO GO TO SEAN PATRICK MALONEY WHO SITS ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. YOU AND I WERE BOTH DESPERATELY TRYING TO RE-DO THIS AS GREG WAS LAYING SOME OF IT OUT. THESE ARE NOW VERY DEEP CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BEFORE THE CALL. THEY WERE RAISED AFTER THE CALL. JOHN BOLTON HIMSELF HAD A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE WITH ALL OF IT.>>IT’S CONSISTENT WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT THAT WAS ALARMED BY THIS CALL. THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL DOWN THERE WHO STILL HAVE A MORE COMPASS, WHO ARE CAREER PROFESSIONALS AND CARE ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND KNOW THIS IS WRONG. THESE FACTS WILL COME OUT. IT IS TELLING THAT THIS SUPPORTS WHY THE PRESIDENT WAS DESPERATE TO STOP AMBASSADOR SONDLAND FROM TESTIFYING BEFORE THE CONGRESS BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE TRUTH. WE SHOULD GET THE TRUTH. >>OBVIOUSLY, HE STOPPED SONDLAND. YOU WANT THE AMBASSADOR THAT WAS REMOVED SO SUDDENLY AND BECAUSE OF ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE WAS ANTI-TRUMP OR WHATEVER IT WAS. AMBASSADOR IVANOVICH, SHE OBVIOUSLY COULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF THIS AS WELL. SHE’S SUPPOSED TO BE TESTIFYING.>>I’LL BE IN WASHINGTON.>>IS SHE GOING TO BE THERE?>>I CERTAINLY HOPE SO. I HOPE SHE FOLLOWS THE LEAD OF AMBASSADOR VOLKER. IT WOULDN’T SURPRISE ME IF THEY TRIED TO STOP HER.>>SHE’S STILL AN EMPLOYEE OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT. >>THEY NEED TO INSTRUCT HER AND THEY HAVEN’T DONE THAT YET, BUT LOOK, WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE — LOOK, EVERYBODY IN THIS WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS EITHER TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP OR COVER IT UP, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET TO THE PACKS AND I’M OKAY WITH THAT. I’M OKAY WITH THE TRUTH. I THINK THAT IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN JUST KNOW THE FACTS WE’D BE BETTER OFF, AND I THINK THE KEY WITNESSES WHO WERE THERE AND SAW WHAT HAPPENED SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TESTIFY. STORIES LEAK THE ONE WITH MR. GIULIANI TODAY ONLY UNDERSCORE HOW SHADY HE WAS DEALING WITH.>>OBVIOUSLY HE DOES TAKE PICTURES OF PEOPLE AND THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE. HE SAYS YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK RUDY. I JUST DON’T KNOW. DO YOU BELIEVE HIM?>>WE’VE SEEN DENIALS LIKE THAT OVER STORMY DANIELS WHERE THE PRESIDENT HAS FLAT-OUT SAYING SOMETHING IT’S NOT TRUE. IT’S POSSIBLE. PRESIDENTS DO TAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT NOT MANY PEOPLE GIVE $325,000 TO THE SUPER PAC AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE PUMP THAT KIND OF MONEY ILLEGALLY INTO A CAMPAIGN. >>THAT’S TRUE. >>WHEN YOU MEET WITH THOSE PEOPLE THEY’RE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEETINGS AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS TRUE OR NOT, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THESE PEOPLE WERE BREAKING AMERICAN LAWS. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN OUR POLITICS. THEY PUMPED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS INTO THE MAIN SUPER PAC AND THEY MAY BE THE CLIENTS WHO WERE PAYING FOR RUDY GIULIANI’S ACTIVITIES IN UKRAINE. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO WAS PAYING FOR RUDY GIULIANI’S TRIPS TO UKRAINE, BY THE WAY. WE DON’T KNOW THAT. WERE THESE HIS CLIENTS? WERE THESE CRIMINALS PAYING HIM TO ENGAGE IN THIS ACTIVITY?>>DO YOU THINK GIULIANI DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL?>>I DON’T KNOW. I HOPE NOT. LOOK, I’M OLD-FASHIONED ABOUT THIS. I DON’T WANT THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR HIS SENIOR ADVISERS TO BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. IT BREAKS MY HEART TO THINK THAT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS ENGAGED IN THIS LEVEL OF MENDACITY AND SHADY CONDUCT. LET HIM COME UP AND EXPLAIN HIMSELF. LET’S SEE THE DOCUMENTS AND LET’S SEE THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE. I CAN LIVE WITH THE FACTS. APPARENTLY THE WHITE HOUSE CANNOT. >>THE HOUSE DEMOCRAT HIS REQUESTED DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY FROM THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE ARRESTED TODAY. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE CRIMINAL CASE THEN WILL TAKE PRECEDENCE. SO DOES THIS ACTUALLY HURT YOUR INVESTIGATION? HOW IMPORTANT WERE THEY IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY’RE KIND OF OFF THE TABLE. IS THAT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE AND I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY FOCUSSED THE ON THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL LOOK AT THESE OTHER FACTS. THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. OUR JOB IS TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID AND HOW IT AFFECTED THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW AND THAT’S WHERE OUR FOCUS NEEDS TO BE. >>CONGRESSMAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL SEE IF AMBASSADOR IVANOVICH DOES SHOW UP AND AS FAR AS THE CONGRESSMAN KNOWS HHAS NOT YET GOTTEN DIRECTION FROM TEAM TRUMP. THE TWO ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. THE PRESIDENT NOT RUSHING TO RUDY’S DEFENSE TONIGHT.>>WELL, I HOPE NOT. AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW HOW HE KNOWS THESE >>>BREAKING NEWS. PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLING OUR OWN KAITLAN KOHCOLLINS HE HOPES RUD GIULIANI WILL NOT BE INDICTED AFTER TWO ASSOCIATES TRIED TO HELP HIM DIG UP DIRT ON THE BIDENS, THEY WERE ARRESTED FOR ILLEGALLY FUNNELING FOREIGN MONEY AND IT WAS HARDLY FULL THROATED. HERE’S HOW HE PUT IT WHEN SHE ASKED.>>ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT RUDY GIULIANI COULD BE INDICTED IN ALL OF THIS?>>WELL, I HOPE NOT. AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW HOW HE KNOWS THESE PEOPLE.>>OUT FRONT NOW, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HOST OF THE AXE FILES, DAVID AXELROD AND CHIEF POLITICAL ANA ANALYST GLORIA BORGER AND JOHN DEAN AND DONALD AIR AND ONE OF 16 ATTORNEYS MANY OF WHOM WORKED IN REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS WHO RELEASED A STATEMENT TODAY CALLING FOR AN EXPEDITIOUS IMPEACHMENT PROBE. GLORIA, LET ME START WITH YOU, I HOPE NOT IS TRUMP’S RESPONSE ON WHETHER HE’S CONCERNED RUDY GIULIANI COULD BE INDICTED. FROM A PRESIDENT WHO DOESN’T HESITATE TO LASH OUT AND VISCERATE AND TRIPLE DOWN IN INNOCENCE, THIS DOESN’T SOUND LIKE HE’S BACKING HIS MAN. >>HE DIDN’T COME OUT AND SAY THIS IS A COMPLETE WITCH HUNT, THE INDICTMENT IS A FRAUD AND A PHONY. HE SAID, I HOPE NOT. AND SO — AND HE SAID YOU HAVE TO ASK RUDY IF HE KNOWS THESE PEOPLE, AND IT SOUNDED A LOT LIKE THE WAY HE WAS TREATING MICHAEL COHEN BEFORE MICHAEL COHEN BECAME HIS EX ATTORNEY.>>I’M GOING TO ASK THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. DAVID, LET ME DO THAT. ASKED ABOUT THE SITUATION TODAY, TRUMP DENIED KNOWING THE MEN THAT WERE ASSOCIATES OF RUDY GIULIANI WHO WERE ARRESTED AND HE SAID ASK RUDY GIULIANI. LET ME PLAY THAT.>>I DON’T KNOW THOSE GENTLEMEN. NOW IT’S POSSIBLE I HAVE A PICTURE WITH THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A PICTURE WITH EVERYBODY. I DON’T KNOW THEM. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEM. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DO, BUT — I DON’T KNOW. MAYBE THEY WERE CLIENTS OF RUDY. YOU’D HAVE TO ASK RUDY.>>SO THE POINT THAT GLORIA JUST MADE, DAVID, IT SOUNDS A WHOLE LOT LIKE THIS INFAMOUS EXCHANGE THAT TRUMP HAD WITH REPORTERS ABOUT THEN-PERSONAL ATTORNEY MICHAEL COHEN’S HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. HERE IT IS. >>DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE $130,000 TO STORMY DANIELS?>>NO. NO.>>YOU’D HAVE TO ASK MICHAEL COHEN. MICHAEL IS MY ATTORNEY AND YOU’D HAVE TO ASK MICHAEL.>>DAVID, YOU’LL HAVE TO ASK MICHAEL COHEN. YOU’LL HAVE TO ASK RUDY. IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME SHOW.>>YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE THE SOUND OF A BRANCH BEING SAWED OFF BEHIND THESE GUYS, AND I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT USES THESE PEOPLE TO DO HIS POLITICAL CHORES AND WHEN IT BECOMES INCONVENIENT HE SEPARATES HIMSELF FROM THEM. IT’S VERY TOUGH GIVEN THE EXPOSURE THAT RUDY GIULIANI HAS HAD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH THIS EPISODE TO DIVORCE HIMSELF FROM RUDY. AFTER ALL, RUDY GIULIANI WAS THE GUY HE WANTED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO MEET WITH, TO DISCUSS THESE MATTERS OF THE BIDENS AND UKRAINE’S ROLE IN 2016 AND SO ON. SO IT’S PRETTY HARD TO JETSON RUDY NOW.>>IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE THAT, JOHN, AND LOOK, THE TWO THAT WERE ARRESTED TODAY, ASSOCIATES OF GIULIANI WERE HELPING HIM TO DIG UP BIDENS IN UKRAINE AND PUSHING FOR THE U.S. AMBASSADOR FOR UKRAINE TO BE KICKED OUT. SHE EVENTUALLY WAS AND TODAY OFFICIALS SAID, LOOK, THEIR ARRESTS ARE NOT THE END OF THIS. WHAT THEY SAID RUDY GIULIANI COULD BE VERY OMINOUS. HERE THEY ARE.>>WE WILL NOT HESITATE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THOSE WHO ENGAGE IN CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT DRAWS INTO QUESTION THE INTEGRITY OF OUR POLITICAL PROCESS, AND I WANT TO ADD THAT THIS INVESTIGATION IS CONTINUING.>>SHOULD GIULIANI BE CONCERNED THAT HE MAY BE NEXT, JOHN?>>I THINK HE CERTAINLY SHOULD BE. A COUPLE OF REASONS, ONE, IT’S VERY UNUSUAL FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT TO COME OUT AND MAKE THESE KINDS OF ANNOUNCEMENTS. THEY DID IT WITH MICHAEL COHEN. THEY DID IT WITH JEFFREY EPISEPSTEIN AND THESE ARE CASES THAT THEY KNOW THE BOSS DOESN’T LIKE AND THEY’RE MAKING IT CLEAR THE PRESENCE IS INTACT. SECONDLY, IF THEY READ AN INDICTMENT AND IT IS AN ONGOING CONSPIRACY. FOUR PEOPLE WERE NAMED IN THE INDICTMENT AND IT IS A VERY STRONG AND VERY BRIEF INDICTMENT. IT’S CLEARLY AN ONGOING AND POTENTIAL IN THE INDICTMENT. THEY SAY THE CONSPIRACY IS CONTINUING AND AS THEY SAID IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE, THEY’RE STILL INVESTIGATING.>>SO, DONALD, LOOK, THIS COMES AS “THE WASHINGTON POST” IS REPORTING AT LEAST FOUR NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS AND I DON’T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE REPORTER AND WE SHOULD KNOW THAT AT LEAST, WITH EMPHASIS ON AT LEAST RAISED ALARMS ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH UKRAINE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DIGGING UP DIRT ON THE BIDENS AND THE DEBUNKED CONSPIRACY THEORY ON THEIR ROLE IN THE ELECTION AND THAT THEY WERE DOING SO BEFORE THE CALL. AND WHEN THEY HEARD THE CALL WITHIN HOURS IT GOT MOVED TO THE SUPER SECRET SERVER. IT CERTAINLY SCREAMS AT THIS POINT THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNEW IT WAS WRONG AND AN IMMEDIATE URGE TO COVER UP DONALD.>>WELL, THIS IS AN INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP WE’VE SEEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND THAT IS THINGS GOT DEEPER AND THICKER AND MORE DISTURBING INFORMATION COMES OUT AND IT’S SOMETIMES AN DWAFRNTAGE FOR HIM BECAUSE WE GET DISTRACTED FROM WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW OTHERWISE. I WAS ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT SIGNED THE LETTER THAT’SICED ON WHAT WE DO NOW AND WHAT SHE’S SHARED WITH US AND THE CALL HE HAD WITH THE PRESIDENT OF U CRIP AND THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCE CHLT THAT OUGHT TAB INVESTIGATING AND FIND DIRT ON THE BIDENS. WE KNOW ALREADY AND THIS IS ALL VERY INTERESTING AND IT WILL LEAD TO MORE INCRIMINATING INFORMATION, BUT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS VIOLATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS USED HIS POWERS IN ORDER TO BARGAIN FOR PERSONAL BENEFITS HERE OF THE WORST KIND. ESSENTIALLY AID AND DIGGING UP DIRT ON POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND WE KNOW ALL WE NEED TO KNOW TO KNOW THAT HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED AND WHAT WE’RE FINDING OUT NOW IS MORE FACTS THAT PILE ON TOP AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH. IT WILL UNFOLD AND WE’LL GET A LOT OF INFORMATION AND WE SHOULDN’T BE DISTRACTED FROM WHAT WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW TO BE TRUE AND THAT’S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE AMOUNT OF BAD BEHAVIOR THAT THIS PRESIDENT ENGAGES IN. IT DISTRACTS US. >>DAVID AXELROD, TO THAT POINT, IN THIS WASHINGTON POST REPORT THEY ARE REPORTING THAT JOHN BOLTON WENT BALIST BEING WHEN THESE TOPICS CAME UP WITH GORDON SONDLAND AND THE GUY WHO DONATED TO HIM AND THE AMBASSADOR OF THE EUROPEAN UNION THAT JON BOLTON WENT BALLISTIC AND I ALSO WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE THAT THIS JUST HAPPENED, AND FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY H.R. McMASTER HAS NOW SPOKEN OUT ABOUT THIS AND I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU WHAT HE JUST SAID. >>DO YOU THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SOLICIT FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN OUR POLITICAL PROCESS? THANK YOU.>>OF COURSE, NO. NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. OF COURSE, IT’S NOT APPROPRIATE.>>DAVID, H.R. McMASTER IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY RESPECTED PERSON. HE AT ONE TIME PUSHED THE PRESIDENT’S STORY ABOUT LEAKING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OR SHARING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION WITH THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF RUSSIA. YOU NOW HAVE H.R. McMASTER SPEAKING OUT AND JOHN BOLTON SAID THIS WAS WRONG. WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE SO RESPECTED AND PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH THEIR POLITICS, VERY SENIOR WHO CLEARLY THINK THIS IS WRONG, DOES THSHGS IS, DAVID, START TO AFFECT REPUBLICANS?>>YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING THAT MIGHT AFFECT REPUBLICANS IS REPUBLICAN VOTERS. THE THING THAT IS FRIGHTENING REPUBLICANS IS THE PROSPECT OF BEING TAGGED BY TRUMP AND LOSING PRIMARIES, BUT I WANT TO MAKE A POINT ON BOLTON AND McMASTER FOR THAT MATTER. I THINK GLORIA WAS ON THE SAME SHOW WAS THAT HE SCORNED BOLTON. HE HUMILIATED BOLTON AND BOLTON IS AN INSTITUTION IN WASHINGTON AND EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON’T LIKE THE THINGS HE’S DONE AND HE’S GOT A LOT OF RELATIONSHIPS.>>YEP.>>HIS FINGERPRINTS IN MY VIEW, ARE ALL OVER A LOT OF THESE STORIES BECAUSE HE WAS A WITNESS TO A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS EXAMPLE. I THINK THIS WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR THE PRESIDENT AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HE SCORNED HAVE NO REASON TO DO HIM ANY FAVORS HERE.>>GO AHEAD, GLORIA.>>I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT DAVID IS SAYING AND YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGING REPUBLICANS’ MINDS AND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO SHIFT UNTIL PUBLIC OPINION SHIFTS AHEAD OF THEM AND THEN THEY WOULD FOLLOW AND THE QUESTION I HAVE HEARING McMASTER TODAY AND HOW THEY’RE REFUSING WHO WAS ASKED ACCORDING TO A STORY HE SAID HE WOULD NOT DO. >>WHERE IS MAT? SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER IN THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF IMPACT IF THEY CAME OUT TOGETHER AND SAID THIS IS A PROBLEM. I DON’T KNOW, DAVID, MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT.>>NO, I THINK THERE IS A DRIP, DRIP, DRIP NATURE TO THIS THAT COULD CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION, BUT WHEN YOU ASK HOW ARE REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS WILL BEHAVE? THE REASON THEY’RE HANGING BACK AND NOT COMMENTING ON WHAT THEY KNOW TO BE WRONG IS BECAUSE THEY’RE JUST TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF TAKING ON A PRESIDENT WHO STILL HAS AN 87 OR SOMETHING PERCENT APPROVAL RATING AMONG REPUBLICAN VOTERS.>>DONALD, IN YOUR LETTER WHICH YOU WROTE WITH THE 16 OTHER ATTORNEYS WHO MANY OF THEM SERVED UNDER REPUBLICANS. YOU DO SAY WE BELIEVE THE ACTS REVEALED PUBLICLY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S OATH OF OFFICE AND AND HIS DUTIES AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND HIS CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION TO TAKE CARE THAT THE LAWS BE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED. ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THERE IS A WHOLE INVESTIGATION HERE AND THEREFORE, TO THE PUBLIC THE PERCEPTION THAT THERE’S MORE INFORMATION NEEDED IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SLOW THIS WHOLE THING DOWN TO A POINT WHERE IT LOSES THAT MOMENTUM?>>WELL, I THINK THERE IS A CHALLENGE FOR THE DEMOCRATS AND THE FOLKS ON THE HILL THAT ARE RUNNING THE INVESTIGATION, AND THAT IS TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND TO MAKE SOME HARD JUDGMENTS ABOUT HOW WIDE RANGING. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THIS PRESIDENT IS PROBABLY GUILTY OF NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS THAT COULD BE PUT INTO A BILL OF IMPEACHMENT, AND THE QUESTION IS BELL, HOW MANY ARE WE GOING TO INCLUDE. I’M NOT SAYING THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PREMATURE AND IT SEEMS TO ME WE ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER AND THE QUESTION SHOULD BE. >>JOHN DEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE TIMING FROM HERE?>>SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE 2020 ELECTION. I CAN’T PREDICT EXACTLY WHEN IT’S GOING TO COME DOWN. I THINK THE HOUSE WILL MOVE OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME DISPATCH AND

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